[MC40]

Originally Posted by hangwire13

I agree, but I'll take it a step further and say he should lose it anyway since he hasnt fought a real contender in years. Even if Big Tim wins Big on saturday, he REALLY shouldnt be #1 cos he'd match badly stylewise with Fedor. He would be a "paper champion" (IMO) until he beats Fedor.

Tim is a bad matchup for Fedor.

Fedor isn't a bad matchup for Tim...

[daruckus]

Originally Posted by Dank

If Tim KO's Nog at any point in the fight, Fedor should lose his #1 ranking.

If Tim wins at all Fedor should lose it. And yes, the rankings would be suitable as:

1. Couture
2. Sylvia
3. Fedor
4. Nog

Makes total sense. I would much rather see Nog win however as I believe he would give much more entertaining bouts as interim champ than Tim. If Nog won it should be:

1. Fedor
2. Nog
3. Couture

Who knows where Tim would be. Not necessarily number 4 because he hasn't beaten any top five guys IMO.

[hangwire13]

Originally Posted by MC40

Tim is a bad matchup for Fedor.

Fedor isn't a bad matchup for Tim...

Thats what I meant. Mir broke his arm--I see Fedor snapping it off and taking it home with him....unless Tim catches him with a big punch or kick first, then finishes him off in a flurry---FAST

[layne2kcl]

Originally Posted by Det_Kimble

Well now that I got your attention, allow me to explain myself. For years now Fedor Emelianenko has been ranked #1. For years there has been no doubt that he was head and shoulders above the rest of the competition. His destruction of Big Nog left people wondering if there would ever be a human being who could stop this Russian machine. Well, lately it seems as if people are questioning Fedor's rank as the #1 heavyweight. I believe Fedor is the best fighter to ever compete, but I do see how many would want to remove him as the CURRENT #1. This is where Nog vs. Tim plays a role in this.

After reading that last sentence, some might be wondering how the hell does Fedor lose his top spot if he's not even a part of this fight. You know what, I'll tell you! For years Fedor's biggest wins have been Nog and CroCop. CroCop has not looked too stellar recently, so in the eyes of many, Nog is really the only guy keeping Fedor's credibility as the CURRENT heavyweight king. If Tim Sylvia is able to finish Nog, we may see Fedor lose his #1 rank. The man who was considered to be the second coming may be knocked off his throne (no I'm not talking about a toilet).

If Big Tim finishes Nog, I would see the heavyweight rankings like this: 1. Couture 2. Sylvia 3. Fedor 4. Nog 5-10 who cares. Some may find this controversial, but I feel that is the only way that the rankings would seem fair. I'm a huge Fedor fan, and I feel he is the best fighter of all time, but you can't stay on top forever [especially when you haven't fought a top 10 opponent since 2006 (Hunt)].

So fellow Sherdoggers, this is why I feel this fight is bigger than just two former champs fighting. It will be the fight that decides if there will be a new name next to #1 or not.

Discuss/flame/agree/watch my new hl vid titled "knockout"/discuss/the female in my av is Adriana Lima since I get a few pms a day of people asking/etc./

Couture Nº1 why? because UFC say? or beacause he beat Sylvia? Mir never was consider Nº1 for beat Sylvia.

Maybe Fedor is not the Number 1, but who is? this is the problem

[maplan]

Couture would move up in rankings for what Tim is doing!? Makes no sense. Couture also won't be fighting for a long time it looks like, by the time his contract negotiations are up he won't have fought in over a year, which will drop him from the rankings completely. We're not there yet but having Couture as #1 would be pretty silly at this stage, and a bad reflection on the Heavyweight division.

Fact is there's not much you can do about Fedor's #1 spot, except maybe drop him to 3 and have

#1 Tim Sylvia
#2 Randy Couture
#3 Fedor Emelianenko
the rest

problem is if you do that Tim Sylvia will be above a guy he got dominated by, but in no way shape or form should Randy be at #1, Tim was barely top 5 when Randy beat him and Gonzaga was certainly not top 5, that'd be like saying Soko should have been #1 LHW after he beat Lil Nog and Arona.

Remember folks, you don't ret-conn rankings, you rank based on the quality of opposition at the time, not what that opposition is doing now.

[yellow_guard]

fedor can fight monson and barnett and still retain the rank

[Tauran]

Fuck rankings, some people think rankings are very relevant, which is not the case. In Boxing they are because they determine who fights who ( In Shooto too ) but in the UFC and other mainstream MMA it means jackshit and it's only fuel on the fire of newbflaming.

[Det_Kimble]

Originally Posted by layne2kcl

Couture Nº1 why? because UFC say? or beacause he beat Sylvia? Mir never was consider Nº1 for beat Sylvia.

Maybe Fedor is not the Number 1, but who is? this is the problem

Bahahaha. I don't take anything that Zuffa says seriously. The reason why Couture would be ranked #1 is because he beat Sylvia (former champ), and Gonzaga (top 10). He would be the logical choice for #1.

The situation is different with Mir and Fedor. Fedor has been #1 for a while because of his wins off of Nog and CroCop. CroCop has not done well recently, and if Nog loses to Tim, why the hell would Fedor be ranked CURRENTLY #1. Notice I put a lot of emphasis on CURRENTLY. I'm not saying that Fedor isn't the most talented, and that when he beat CroCop and Nog they weren't the top dogs in the division, but he (Fedor) needs to do something worth mentioning in order to keep the current #1 rank.

[Tauran]

Originally Posted by MC40

Tim is a bad matchup for Fedor.

Fedor isn't a bad matchup for Tim...

What the flying fuck gives you that idea? Fedor is better standing and on the ground, has way better wrestling and better takedowns than Randy does, HOW is Tim a bad matchup for Fedor? Maybe his pointy knees can cut Fedor easily?

[baronaatista]

Originally Posted by Det_Kimble

I would put Fedor at 2 until he fights/beats a credible opponent (Monson or Rizzo for example), but I would be able to see how some would still keep him at 1. The situation is different now because CroCop hasn't looked great recently, and if Nog doesn't beat Tim, it just makes it hard to justify his (Fedor's) current #1 rank.

it doesn't just make it hard, it makes it IMPOSSIBLE. if tim beats nog, that doesn't just take away fedors credibility as #1 current, but also puts a good stain on his crediblity for this "best fighter of all time" bullshit.

the fact is, other than crocop and noguiera, fedor has fought: basically NOBODY worth mentioning.

i am by no means a UFC 'hugger though i am sure i will be flamed as such by ignorant people who need to call names like little children, instead of using the reasoning faculties of the mind.

i mean you've got heath herring (lost to a ufc nobody) semmy schilt (never had any real success in mma) kevin randleman (lost to basically everybody except one freak win over CC) mark coleman (built his name in the beginning of the ufc, then lost to everybody) gary goodridge (never any real success in mma) kazuyuki fujita (japanese pro wrestler, little to no success in mma)
...

where is this "top" competition he's fought? all those guys above are tough for sure. but they haven't been at the top levels of competition for quite some time, if ever. the guys that have been making things move at HW have been rizzo, monson, sylvia, arlovski, rodriguez, barnett.

so maybe guys in/from the ufc have more losses. such is the nature of mma, especially at the highest levels. barnett is the only guy that props up crocop and nog really.

i'm not going to continue this, it's not worth my efforts. i'm not saying fedor isn't good, i fuckin love the guy. he's hella good, fun to watch, always puts on a good show, never a boring or conservative fighter. but to say he is "the greatest of all time" because he has fought a lower level of competition for most of his career, and managed to get through them all unscathed by a loss... is this really what makes a great fighter? or is it winning the BIG fights, the guys at the absolute top, the guys that can't be questioned.

putting fedor against opposition like semmy schilt (again) HMC, zuluzhino, ...even mark hunt is a questionable opponent when it comes to mma, especially in light of recent events. putting him against these guys and still saying #1 is an insult. just because you don't lose in fights that are basically set up for you to win...

that's all i got to say.

sylvia beats nog, the rankings change big time, and i think fedor has some serious credibility isssues.