[Escabar]

The article was pro UFC it never mentioned Anderson Silva's particpation in Pride and when Chuck went over. Most Sherdog articles are pro UFC which is a shame the articles used to be a lot less bias this time last year.

[TheSpeciman]

Perhaps you didn't like the article because it made some good points. It's true that Pride nuthuggers, which do not include all Pride fans, are the most one sided and gayest when it comes to discussing and debating MMA. And now they're getting it put into their faces. Don't forget, Fedor has fought cans like Zulu and Ogawa, Silva beat one middleweight three times with no losses, and Cro Cop fought a Mexican wrestler in a mask. The article definately had good points. And to your points, finish the article.

[kryptonic]

Originally Posted by MMAchine419

ROFL! And the UFC doesn't? The list of overhyped spoon-fed fighters in the UFC is vast compared to Pride. Huerta, Sanchez, Franklin and Bisping all quickly come to mind, just to scratch the surface. Concerning Wandy, Shogun, Fedor, Cro-Cop sure they fought a couple "cans", but all have fought the best of the best in their division.

I would say there's a bit of a difference in the groups of fighters you listed, as the Pride guys were all champions or GP winners while two of the UFC fighters you listed are mostly up and comers who haven't quite gotten to a title shot yet, Sanchez was a top contender until he lost his last two fights and Franklin is a former champ. I'd also like to point out that Sanchez has fought and beaten many good fighters, including Karo and Diaz. Likewise, the only opponent he's fought since dropping to 185 that could be "cans" might be MacDonald and Nate Quarry, who are still solid, though admittedly not elite, fighters. All of his middleweight fights except his last two were championship fights, and Okami is very close to being a top ten fighter, and is actually number ten according to MMAWeekly. There's a big difference between MacDonald and guys like Zulu and Dos Caras Jr.

[Chad Ghostal]

The article was about folks who hyped up pride fighters and looked down upon UFC fighters. MMA fans knew the competition was much closer, which was the point of the article.

[cipher unknown]

Originally Posted by lilduvessa

Well because it was a sham. A highly inflated and overhyped product

lilduvessa= keyboard warior.


seriously over 4,000 posts in a year you must be the bordest person ever

[Hellscream]

Originally Posted by Escabar

The article was pro UFC it never mentioned Anderson Silva's particpation in Pride and when Chuck went over. Most Sherdog articles are pro UFC which is a shame the articles used to be a lot less bias this time last year.

Ill bite, I'll play devil's advocate. What about when Chuck went to Pride? He was 2W - 1L. Add in his second loss against Rampage and that'd be 2W-2L vs Pride fighters. Which once again proves the point the article was trying to make that everyone seems to be ignoring.

The two orgs were closer in talent then people realize. No one said UFC > Pride in the article. No one said Pride fighters = cans. It just said that some of the maniac fans out there truly believed Pride fighters were Greek god's or something and untouchable by the UFC and recent events have showed it is really closer.

See now I hate you for making me defend Liddell.

[frank21]

Originally Posted by Hammerwulf

Just because the article isn't kissing Pride's ass doesn't mean it sucks. All the points in the article were great. Especially the part about Pride feeding can after can to their top fighters to make them seem greater than they really are. Even nut huggers have to admit this is true.

what in the world are you talking about???

Zulu vs. Fedor?
Minowa vs. Crocop in the GP?
Shogun vs. Randleman?
Noguiera vs. Natsula?

Those are...to name a few....Some of the greatest fights Pride had....
(Sarcasm people...Sarcasm)

[juggo]

I've had several problems with Rossen articles in the past. A lot of the time he does go overboard and knee-jerks too much on the last couple events.

But this article was dead-on and made a lot of valid points. He wasn't saying UFC>PRIDE, just making the point that there wasn't this vast discrepancy in talent between the two orgs as many here seemed to think. He also mentioned certain aspects of DSE's management that are undeniable.

The only people that seem to have a huge problem with the article are the very devastated PRIDE elitists he was describing.

[condon]

Originally Posted by MMAchine419

Is this article a joke? Its basically a rant on how Pride is an overrated sham and the UFC is the greatest thing on earth.

He starts off by making an excuse for Ricco Rodriguez in his loss to Noguiera and then proceeds to name and single out the so-far lackluster Pride imports yet failing to mention Rampage or Anderson, or all the UFC fighters who got obliterated while fighting in Pride. Its hilarious how the author discredits Ricco's loss then says that no extraneous factors could have any effect on Shogun, Cro-Cop etc...

This excerpt says it all... (notice one of many typo's in the article)
"The legacies of Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), "Cro Cop" and pending addition Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) were built in part on squash matches that made them look unstoppable. That's virtually unheard of in the Ultimate, where even unheralded opponents have the capability of flattening out anyone."

Sherdog, please stop this guy from writing front page articles... if it was just a thread it wouldn't even be a good one.

Please... Jake Rossen... go back to writing about comic books.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

Denial FTW!!!

[Hellscream]

Originally Posted by condon

Denial FTW!!!

hahahah I'm saving that pic.. I love those..