[SJBenoist]

Originally Posted by MMAchine419

Is this article a joke? Its basically a rant on how Pride is an overrated sham and the UFC is the greatest thing on earth.

He starts off by making an excuse for Ricco Rodriguez in his loss to Noguiera and then proceeds to name and single out the so-far lackluster Pride imports yet failing to mention Rampage or Anderson, or all the UFC fighters who got obliterated while fighting in Pride. Its hilarious how the author discredits Ricco's loss then says that no extraneous factors could have any effect on Shogun, Cro-Cop etc...

This excerpt says it all... (notice one of many typo's in the article)
"The legacies of Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), "Cro Cop" and pending addition Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) were built in part on squash matches that made them look unstoppable. That's virtually unheard of in the Ultimate, where even unheralded opponents have the capability of flattening out anyone."

Sherdog, please stop this guy from writing front page articles... if it was just a thread it wouldn't even be a good one.

Please... Jake Rossen... go back to writing about comic books.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

Agreed. Rosen is consistently the worst editorial on Sherdog.

An entire piece on PRIDE being hype, ended with chastising statement about the futility of arguing superiority by promotion. Make up your mind.

[Hammerwulf]

Originally Posted by MMAchine419

Ok then.... let me choose a few fighters at random. Cro-Cop seems to be your main target so that sounds good to me. Ill compare him to say... Couture and Arlovski (most beloved UFC HW's prolly)....

Lets look at a timeline of quality opponents faced ("cans" ommitted)...

Cro-Cop in Pride

v. Fujita in MMA debut.
v. Wandy 6 months later
v. Sakuraba 4 months later
v. Fujita 4 months later
v. Herring 6 months later
v. Vovchanchyn 2 months later
v. Nogueira 3 months later
v. Waterman 2 months later
v. Randleman 2 months later
v. Aleks 4 months later
v. Barnett 2 months later
v. Randleman 2 months later
v. Coleman 2 months later
v. Fedor 6 months later
v. Barnett 2 months later
v. Mark Hunt 2 months later
v. Yoshida 7 months later
v. Silva 2 months later
v. Barnett SAME NIGHT

Arlovski's UFC Career

v. Ricco 2 years after MMA debut
v. Rizzo 9 months later
v. Matyushenko 18 months later
v. Cabbage 7 months later
v. Sylvia 10 months later
v. Sylvia 14 months later
v. Sylvia 3 months later
v. Werdum 9 months later

Coutures UFC Career

v. Belfort 5 months after MMA debut
v. Inoue 12 months later
v. Horn 2 years later
v. Randleman 1 month later
v. Rizzo 6 months later
v. Rizzo 6 months later
v. Barnett 4 months later
v. Ricco 6 months later
v. Liddell 9 months later
v. Ortiz 3 months later
v. Belfort 5 months later
v. Belfort 7 months later
v. Liddell 8 months later
v. Liddell 10 months later
v. Sylvia 11 months later


Cro-Cop fought top competition MUCH more frequently than both Couture and Arlovski regardless of "cans" he fought. Also fought more and better competition with less rematches than Coutue and Arlovski.

*shakes head*.....

I never said Cro Cop OR ANY OF THEM did not fight top competition. I didn't once single out Cro Cop, you simply picked him as your example because he was the easiest for you. Pride clearly and obviously did feed cans to their top fighters more so than the UFC for the sake of making them seem all the greater and you're not denying this, you're just trying to change the subject so you're proving me right and I thank you.

And also, since you picked Cro Cop as your example for... whatever you were trying to prove with that post, I'll use AA for this quick example

Arlovski did not have a choice in who he fought. At the time when he was ontop, the UFC HW division was AWFUL. Everyone knows this and agrees with this. The fighters he fought were obviously not the cream of the crop, but it was either them or no one. So using him in your little experiment is sort of pointless when you don't point out that little fact.

[PrimalFear]

Originally Posted by MMAchine419

Is this article a joke? Its basically a rant on how Pride is an overrated sham and the UFC is the greatest thing on earth.

He starts off by making an excuse for Ricco Rodriguez in his loss to Noguiera and then proceeds to name and single out the so-far lackluster Pride imports yet failing to mention Rampage or Anderson, or all the UFC fighters who got obliterated while fighting in Pride. Its hilarious how the author discredits Ricco's loss then says that no extraneous factors could have any effect on Shogun, Cro-Cop etc...

This excerpt says it all... (notice one of many typo's in the article)
"The legacies of Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), "Cro Cop" and pending addition Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) were built in part on squash matches that made them look unstoppable. That's virtually unheard of in the Ultimate, where even unheralded opponents have the capability of flattening out anyone."

Sherdog, please stop this guy from writing front page articles... if it was just a thread it wouldn't even be a good one.

Please... Jake Rossen... go back to writing about comic books.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

Like all writers he simply tries to satisfy the dumb and dull mass. If he feels that the majority of idiots out there think they have figured out what the truth is, he will follow them.

there are few writers who actually have the courage to swim against the tide.

[Cormano]

This article is probably the worst one Sherdog has ever done. It's as if the Sherdog forums collectively wrote an article.

He subtly implies everyone in Pride was on steroids. Later in the article he implies that everyone in the UFC are also on them. He claims "squash matches" are virtually unheard in the UFC (What was UFC 76 supposed to be then?). He says the UFC refuses to manipulate athletes to achieve a preferred outcome (Rampage vs Liddell 2? Remember that?). He tries to turn Pride's lousy matchmaking into something that was intentional in order to "boost the chances of their adversaries". He tries to turn Pride Fan into Crazy Pride Fanatic. He seems to think Diaz was stoned during the Gomi fight.

Is Sherdog just going for controversy to get more hits now?

[Gai Jin]

Good article. TUF shit Pride fanboys.

[MMAchine419]

Originally Posted by Hammerwulf

*shakes head*.....

I never said Cro Cop OR ANY OF THEM did not fight top competition. I didn't once single out Cro Cop, you simply picked him as your example because he was the easiest for you. Pride clearly and obviously did feed cans to their top fighters more so than the UFC for the sake of making them seem all the greater and you're not denying this, you're just trying to change the subject so you're proving me right and I thank you.

And also, since you picked Cro Cop as your example for... whatever you were trying to prove with that post, I'll use AA for this quick example

Arlovski did not have a choice in who he fought. At the time when he was ontop, the UFC HW division was AWFUL. Everyone knows this and agrees with this. The fighters he fought were obviously not the cream of the crop, but it was either them or no one. So using him in your little experiment is sort of pointless when you don't point out that little fact.

So your saying all the UFC HW's were crap, I guess they were ALL cans then? Your not helping you cause any bro. Quit while your not too far behind.

And I didn't choose Cro-Cop cause he was easiest, he was the first name you mentioned in the post precluding mine. Accept you defeat, your last post doesn't deserve a response and it/you should be thankful you got one.

PS. Percentage wise Couture and Arlovski fought way more "cans". Do some research before opening your mouth next time. Also, the point of arguing that someone fought "cans" is to prove that they were "spoonfed" or gone easy on. This is OBVIOUSLY not the case, thus you fail.

[BeardotheWeirdo]

Yeah, I usually enjoy Jakes articles, but that was completely one-sided.

I'm not impressed.

Chuck and Rich were hand-fed favourable opponents. Dana admitted to protecting his fighters in the past.

Chuck was being protected against Jardine for fucks sake, he lost so they act like he wasn't protected. He wasn't supposed to lose.

[BeardotheWeirdo]

Originally Posted by Cormano

This article is probably the worst one Sherdog has ever done. It's as if the Sherdog forums collectively wrote an article.

He subtly implies everyone in Pride was on steroids. Later in the article he implies that everyone in the UFC are also on them. He claims "squash matches" are virtually unheard in the UFC (What was UFC 76 supposed to be then?). He says the UFC refuses to manipulate athletes to achieve a preferred outcome (Rampage vs Liddell 2? Remember that?). He tries to turn Pride's lousy matchmaking into something that was intentional in order to "boost the chances of their adversaries". He tries to turn Pride Fan into Crazy Pride Fanatic. He seems to think Diaz was stoned during the Gomi fight.

Is Sherdog just going for controversy to get more hits now?

I've noticed Jakes artciles often seem to just be re-caps of recent thread topics. I guess he's a last-minute writer

[Dalpha]

Hey, stop complaining, and accept the fact that PRIDE has been exposed.

I initially was pissed about UFC buying PRIDE, but now all I can say is, Thank GOD.

We were all spoon fed a bunch of bullshit by PRIDE. Making thier fighters seem magical, and Invincible. Yeah, I guess Steroids, and fighting nobodies will do that.

Like the article says, when you go UFC, you actually look human. I personally am just pissed at Pride for brainwashing us, and I'm glad to see it gone.


BTW, Don't be mad that Josh is writing artilces. You Pride lovers have Josh Gross, so so that makes it even.

[Fixation]

Originally Posted by MMAchine419

Is this article a joke? Its basically a rant on how Pride is an overrated sham and the UFC is the greatest thing on earth.

He starts off by making an excuse for Ricco Rodriguez in his loss to Noguiera and then proceeds to name and single out the so-far lackluster Pride imports yet failing to mention Rampage or Anderson, or all the UFC fighters who got obliterated while fighting in Pride. Its hilarious how the author discredits Ricco's loss then says that no extraneous factors could have any effect on Shogun, Cro-Cop etc...

This excerpt says it all... (notice one of many typo's in the article)
"The legacies of Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), "Cro Cop" and pending addition Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) were built in part on squash matches that made them look unstoppable. That's virtually unheard of in the Ultimate, where even unheralded opponents have the capability of flattening out anyone."

Sherdog, please stop this guy from writing front page articles... if it was just a thread it wouldn't even be a good one.

Please... Jake Rossen... go back to writing about comic books.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

I agree. This article belongs in a garbage can.