**** ALL OPINIONS / STATS on SHOGUN-MACHIDA fight ORGANIZED HERE (pics / links) ****

[TheShizzle]

This robbery shouldnt be forgotten.

This less fuss made the more likely it'll happen again.

Oddly enough though, anyone ever notice that some very questionable decisions have gone the way which favors the UFCs plans. Bisping Hammil, the UFC were trying to build Bisping up for the UK audience. Machida Shogun , the UFC were trying to build their elusive unbeatable,untouchable Super Champ - The Machida Era.....which became the Machida Error.
I dont think they expected such a backlash - Of course lets not get crazy here, the UFC dont employ or appoint the Judges, thats done by another organisation that the Fertitas control.
Seems silly to think some guys who control several companies would use one to help another...............

....Yeah Right Daddio!

Anyone who thinks Rogan was bias to try a sway a Shogun win is way off. Rogan was always the biggest Machida fan there was, there wasnt simply much to say about him, I mean was he supposed to commentate like this:

"Oh yeah Machida absorbing another leg kick, he's looking great, he's back peddling better than Ive seen, Oh another leg kick , he took the well, oh now look at him back peddle , this guy unbelievable, the only thing Shogun can do is keeping walking Lyoto down landing kicks and punches, he completely helpless to Machida's absorption of blows and back peddling,ANOTHER LEG KICK, Machidas really on his bike now, Shoguns not going to be able to last much longer against this guy"

now I'm just kidding here, I realise Machida landed some blows too , but 90% of the fight time it would have sounded like that.

People dont think it was a robbery because it was razor close, it wasnt.

And 99% of the muppets now saying they think Machida Won were stood there dumbstruck when they heard the decision like the rest of us.
They just want to be the Supreme MMA fans that can understand and see the hidden game and intricacies of the sport that guys like us dont understand - we are just dumb f*cks who simply want to see 2 meatheads standing in front of eachother punching chunks out of eachother, its all we understand of course we're simply not intelligent enough to understand how backing away from your opponent is in actual fact controlling him.

[neil_cdn]

If that quote regarding the judge is true, kudos to him for stepping up.

I really can't blame the judges, i don't think they have the greatest visability with a fence in their face.

[Lobostar]

Originally Posted by TheShizzle

"Oh yeah Machida absorbing another leg kick, he's looking great, he's back peddling better than Ive seen, Oh another leg kick , he took the well, oh now look at him back peddle , this guy unbelievable, the only thing Shogun can do is keeping walking Lyoto down landing kicks and punches, he completely helpless to Machida's absorption of blows and back peddling,ANOTHER LEG KICK, Machidas really on his bike now, Shoguns not going to be able to last much longer against this guy"

Hahahahaha!

[peteyandjia]

[luckyshot]

This shit again?

[steveflynn]

Originally Posted by Zeicon

LATEST NEWS: One of the three judges admits that he scored the bout incorrectly in favor of Machida and that Shogun was indeed the real winner upon rewatching the fight:

Fighting a restrictive MMA judging system - UFC - Yahoo! Sports






credit: HadtoReg

First things first:

- The audience was largely in favor of Machida before the fight. After the decision was announced, the only thing you could hear was boos, boos and more boos.

- Rogan and Goldberg gave the fight to Shogun.




Dana White: "I thought Shogun won"

Link:
Dana White "I thought Shogun won the fight." [video]




MMA journalists, websites:

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
CompuStrike: Rua outlanded Machida 89-50 in Total Strikes landed including 73 Leg Strikes landed. Rua dominated the fight and did just about everything he needed to do to beat the undefeated Machida, including outlanding Machida in every round, but apparently it wasn't enough for the judges.
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
Savage Science: 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
411mania.com: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
MMAConvert: Rua ("Machida was given a gift")
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua
Sports Illustrated (thanks jamers):
Ben Fowlkes - Rua ("They say you have to clearly beat the champion if you want to take his belt. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua seemed to have done just that at UFC 104 on Saturday night, but the mere fact that UFC light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida was still conscious at the end was apparently enough for the judges to give him the victory")
Joss Gross: 48-47 Rua
MMARising / Robert Sargeant (thanks TheEnigma): 49-46 Rua
FightLine: 49-46 Rua (thanks karatelarusso)
Loretta Hunt (thanks On Letting Go): Rua ("I am very disappointed in the decision. Very upsetting. The sport owes Mauricio "Shogun" Rua a big apology.")
TATAME (thanks Radamantis): "Maurício “Shogun” Rua was the underdog, but the 2005 Pride GP champion “surprised” everybody with a perfect strategy and performance, dominating three out of five rounds against Lyoto Machida, but losing by unanimous decision (48-47)."





Pro fighters who thought Shogun won:

- Anthony Johnson (post-fight conference)
- Joe Stevenson (post-fight conference)
- Cain Velasquez (post-fight conference)
- Shane Carwin (via Twitter)
"great night of fights. further proof you have to finish as the judges just can't score MMA"
- Denis Kang (via Twitter)
"Shogun got robbed last night IMO."
- Efrain Escudero (via Twitter)
"I'm sorry but shogun won that fight easy"
- Kenny Florian (via Twitter)
"I love Machida but Shogun won that fight!!"
- Joe Lauzon (via Twitter)
"I think Shogun won it."
- Frank Trigg
"he [Shogun] got robbed, was looking 4 don king"
- Roy Nelson
"I just lost $5 on shogun, I am mad, shogun won 4 rounds to 1"
- Joe Doerkson
"Shogun won four rounds out of five ... I am disgusted."
- Brendan Schaub
"Shogun won that fight."
- Jorge Gurgel
"Wow. I was cheering for Machida, but believe Shogun just got robbed... That is the very worst feeling in the world."
- BJ Penn (via Facebook)
"Did Shogun win? yeah."
- Rampage Jackson (via his website)
"Shogun getting robbed like that was pretty cut throat"
- Jon Jones (via Twitter)
"Watched it again this morning and still just saying wow. I guess the next guy might just need to bring a sword"
- Ben Henderson (via Twitter)
"To me that was a bad decision. Rua was more active and the aggressor."
- Kit Cope (via Twitter)
"What?!?! That was the worst robbery I have seen in the UFC ever!!!"
- Jake Shields (via Twitter)
"Even though Shogun should have won that fight!"
- Miguel Torres (via Twitter)
"Shogun is back. Very impressed, Muay Thai 1, Karate 0."
- Cameron Dollar? (via Twitter)
"Man the ufc judging tonight was garbage"
- Jay Silva (via Twitter)
"Ufc 104 was okay rua won the fight but u all know u gotta bit the camp 2 be a champ, but wht about the rampage fight hmmmm"
- Matt Brown (via Twitter)
"Shogun def robbed, but after a 2nd watch it was closer than I thought at first. I gave Machida rd 1 & MAYBE rd 3. Just my two cents..."
- Tiki Ghosn (via Twitter)
"Karate doesn't work against Muay Thai"
- Frank Shamrock (via Twitter)
"Shogun won that fight"
- Antonio Silva
- Vitor Belfort (TATAME.com)
"UFC judges aren’t good to judge. To beat the champion, you only have to win, it doesn’t matter how."
- Rickson Gracie (according to Shogun)
- Randy Couture
"Shogun won 4 rounds."
- Wanderlei Silva (training partner)
"he [Machida] did not do enough to win the fight"
- Rashad Evans (MMA Live)
- Marcus Jones (MMA Live)
- Dave Meltzer
- Tito Ortiz (MMA Connected)
"I gave 4 of 1 rounds to Shogun as well."


Pro fighters who thought Machida won:

- Josh Thomson (via Twitter)
"Watch the dam fight again. Machida won 3rnds an shogun won the last 2."
- Anderson Silva (Machida's best friend)
"Lyoto won every round." (TATAME.com inteview)





Fight Metric stats:


link: Machida-Shogun




CompuStrike stats / conclusion:


link: CompuStrike - Every Strike Counts




Sherdog forum poll:

link: **EVERYONE WHO THINKS SHOGUN WILL BEAT MACHIDA** sign names here




Sherdog.com poll:

link: Sherdog.com: UFC, Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) News, Results, Fighting



Two of the biggest sites in Brazil (polls)

[FlyingKnee101]

things like this should never be forgotten

[Last Samurai]

Zeicon, please tell Steveflynn to stop spamming your post in every Machida/Shogun thread he can find.

[silakkae]

I though Shogun won too, but this shit is getting old. People seem to forget that Shogun got an instant rematch. I'd understand the crying slightly more, if he didn't have a rematch, but c'mon. 113 is almost here.

[Craig2891991]

Biggest robbery in ufc history....like how can a boxing judge be expected to judge mma.... It would be there minds to judge punches for effective....fucking retards