To all newer fans - This is why BJ is so respected

[Halfway]

Originally Posted by GeorgeXVX

i am not a penn fan and i still think he is over rated... i wish i liked penn... he has so much freakin talent but look at his last three fights. His attitude and his inability to currently put his money where his mouth is makes me sick. Someone as talented as him should hold many belts right now. but he holds none because he wont run a few miles a day. Give me a break he is waisting his talent. Not only that people stuck in the glory days act like anyone who signs to fight him might as well just sit in the hospital yet he hasnt won since coming back to the UFC. I understand why people like him but some of you build him up like he is still top dog of the world. The game has changed and he hasnt much. he is still a great fight but come on... he is a shadow of what he could be and nothing more.

OMG, the game has changed and he hasn't much? He doesn't need to he's arguably one of the most well rounded fighters. People question his cardio but the only fight I seen where that was a question was in his fight with GSP and he separated his rib in the second Hughes fight.

Put his money where his mouth is? The guy has fought at LW, WW, MW and supposedly HW? I'm sorry but if that isn't putting your money where your mouth is then I don't know what is.

[fabreezeio]

Originally Posted by Bootlegger

you gotta love that shit man, hes a true fighter. wants to fight everyone regardless.

It funny when you compare ppl like him to true punks, like tito, who makes excuses (ie dana, iceman) instead of wanting to fight.

man is bj penn retarded. it had to be the alcohol talking. cause that guy was drunk. i wouldnt make that fight happen for the sake of his reputation.

[Fry_]

Originally Posted by bttchutefan

Well yeah, I think it goes without saying that his performance as of late is lackluster. And if he stayed in the UFC and fought nothing but LWs I'm sure he wouldn't have suffered this recent downfall. You say nobody was talking about him fighting out of his weight but thats pretty much the reason why he's loss so much respect from fans. The fact is that BJ has always went after the toughest oppenents for him and that's why I feel he deserves more respect than his record shows. How many other fighters would drop their weightclass, title and even org to seek the best talent?

That's what I meant sir, the thread starter was typing as if people never respected BJ at all. He has done tons of things to earn respect, except get recent quality wins. In 2007, new fans don't appreciate BJ's skills because his lackluster performances are what's fresh in their minds. He was excellent for 85% of his career, but the last 15% has been dreadful.

[LocalBoyZ]

Originally Posted by asugar

Was it?
I thought it was 205.

It was heavyweight because machida weighed in a 213. Haven't any of you guys seen the fight?

[Warheart]

Originally Posted by LocalBoyZ

It was heavyweight because machida weighed in a 213. Haven't any of you guys seen the fight?

Thanks. I have it on dvd and it was certainly at HW. I can say with 100% certainty because I remember when it was announced he was moving to HW.

[patMANpv]

Awesome, awesome thread! So many either don't remember or just never knew how great BJ is.

[bayboy4life]

Originally Posted by Warheart

That means fucking nothing when they were close fights, against elite fighters, and out of his weight class.

If Shogun went to HW, and lost close fights vs Fedor, Cro Cop & Nog would his fans still be delusional if they thought he was great? It is the exact same thing.

I fucking hate people like you, fairweather fans who judge fighters by their records and only look at the results of their last few fights, you don't even look at the performances. It's pathetic.#

You do realise you are holding it against Penn that he lost to an undefeated guy at more than 50 pounds his ideal weight?

Get some fucking perspective.

Did you read my post Jabroni? Go back and read I said I like watching him fight but I hate how he is a god of mma to all his fans and all his fans think he should be top 10 and any weight class he fights at weather its 170 or 155. Its stupid how his fans are not him

[Warheart]

Originally Posted by bayboy4life

Did you read my post Jabroni? Go back and read I said I like watching him fight but I hate how he is a god of mma to all his fans and all his fans think he should be top 10 and any weight class he fights at weather its 170 or 155. Its stupid how his fans are not him

You called his fans delusional because they think he is great, when he has lost 3 of his last 4.

[ndt/oos]

!fantstico! !Estupendo! hope fully all the haters will read this. thanks

[daddypants]

there's just not enough time to explain how bj will desrtoy jens. sorry jens, you are good fighter but bj might hurt you bad. good luck.