[GamenessPitbull]

BGG is nothing more than a counterfeit product. If it comes from Brazil it is NOT a true Gameness period.

Tim

[stu3ufc]

Originally Posted by GZUS

from what i understood mkimonos was the main company. there was a split and one group started yudan and the other lutador americano. couple years later machados came back. I could be wrong but that is what i got from it

i thought lutador americano/ M-KIMONOS was like cage walk to sprawl-- a cheaper economic version but still with good quality

[GZUS]

Originally Posted by stu3ufc

i thought lutador americano/ M-KIMONOS was like cage walk to sprawl-- a cheaper economic version but still with good quality

naw they might be a diffrent cut but they are the same thing, you are basically paying for a name.