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Old 01-14-2009, 08:06 PM   #51 (permalink)

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Don't start being an ass. The FAQ is an excellent source of information. And there are many links in there as well that lead to more excellent sources of information
When did I say anything bad about the FAQ?
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:22 PM   #52 (permalink)
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He said the FAQ is your best friend, I quoted your response. If I misinterpreted your response, I apologize. The FAQ is quite extensive, but there is an answer to just about every question that comes up either directly in there or linked in there.
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:53 PM   #53 (permalink)

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Don't worry about the Atkins crap...and start counting your goddamn calories.
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:56 AM   #54 (permalink)
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It's not so much avoiding the insulin, but slowing digestion. When you have ****bolic crashes like those caused by simple carbs, muscle begins to be digested as soon as the sugar is gone. So you store fat, then burn muscle, and repeat. The alternative with low GI is a steady burning of fat throughout, at least theoretically. It's the same as with fast vs. slow digesting proteins. Of course, if your protein intake is quite high, then this is less of a factor.

An consistent blood sugar profile seems preferable for a number of reasons beyond just "total" weight loss.
Muscle preservation is *mostly* (from my understanding) based on two things.
1. Adequate protein for the body to support and maintain current muscle mass
2. The "need" to keep muscle mass (putting the body under loads that requires the muscle).

There is ample evidence that people who weight train can maintain muscle mass during calorie restriction as long as adequate protein is maintained. People who use PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) diets are proof of that. I've even done similar things myself.

PSMF also works better than conventional dieting (given identical calories) for preserving muscle mass even without weight training.

Also, please keep in mind that, despite my posts in this thread, I DO NOT advocate eating a bunch of highly processed, high GI, high fat, whatever foods. My arguments are based purely on fat gain/loss and nothing else. General health is an entirely different topic and not always related to fat people. Of course eating more natural and unprocessed foods will be better from a health/performance stand point. Phytonutrients, micronutrients, and fiber all play a role in being a bad ass. On the other hand, if you're eating lots of fruits and veggies, lots of protein, and getting your healthy fats... eating a bowl of ice cream isn't going to make much difference as long as it doesn't exceed your caloric goals.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:13 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Terry Shintani wrote a book or two on the mass index of food, a concept that might seem a little silly at first glance, but it does make some sense. Basically, he claims that hunger satisfaction has more to do w/ the actual weight of the food you eat, rather than the calories taken in.
It's not silly at all. I agree with it anyway.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:21 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Monger, doesn't LM state that once adequate protein is met, that nit-picking over carbohydrates/fat is semi-tedious unless looking to get into lower single digit body fat?
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:31 AM   #57 (permalink)
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For the most part, ya, he seems to. Although he also believes that protein requirements get higher the larger the caloric deficit becomes.
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:35 PM   #58 (permalink)

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Ok, thanks Monger, I'm convinced. I just had things conceptually a little confused I think. That bowl of ice cream sounds good right about now, gotta say...
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:41 PM   #59 (permalink)
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For the most part, ya, he seems to. Although he also believes that protein requirements get higher the larger the caloric deficit becomes.
I thought we had a conversation about this recently. I think that makes sense, since a larger caloric deficit will force the body to use more amino acids for energy.
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