What makes you fat, carbs or calories?

[Ziltoid]

Originally Posted by USAMMAFAN

Its fucking calories, that Atkins shit is a just a fad diet.

If you only burn 2000 calories and take in 3000 calories of protein you will gain fat

If you burn 2000 and only take in 1500 calories from jelly dougnuts you will lose.

Of course the jelly doughnuts would not be a healty diet.

Actually, Atkins is not a bad idea.

[dp8351]

Jelly doughnut diet? Can we ask nutritionists (possibly Mr. Barr?) to post that on April Fools Day?

Man, now I want doughnuts. Damn you, internet!

[Pinoy Badboy**]

The majority of foods in the "carb" category are absolute shit for you to eat.

[pjmeunyc12]

Its simple. If you burn more calories than you take in you'll lose weight. Stick to a high protein and low carb diet, and hit the cardio hard.

[Monger]

Sometimes I think this board is really too biased when it comes to carbs and dieting. Macro nutrient profiles can make a difference, especially protein. But, by FAR, the biggest contributing factor in increased BF is and will always be consuming too many calories.

Originally Posted by Lyle McDonald

So is a calorie a calorie? Yes and no. Based on the data, my general feeling is this:

1. A sufficient protein intake will always beat out an insufficient protein intake, no matter what you do. Since all of the diets described in this book are based around sufficient protein, this is a non-issue.

2. Assuming caloric intake can be controlled (and protein is adequate of course), shuffling of carbs and fats tends to have a minor, approaching negligble effect.

3. There might be exceptions at the extremes (folks going to single digit bodyfat or extreme obesity) but that doesn’t apply to the majority of folks.

Is a Calorie a Calorie? | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Lyle also has a great 4 part article series discussing different dietary approaches along with their benefits and/or disadvantages.

Comparing the Diets: Part 1 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Comparing the Diets: Part 2 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Comparing the Diets: Part 3 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Comparing the Diets: Part 4 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Here's Alan Aragon as he talks about fat not impeding fat loss...

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

More proof that having fat with carbs won’t hinder fat loss

A relatively recent trial examined the effects of 3 diets consisting of roughly 1400 kcals each for 8 weeks, followed by 4 weeks of maintenance [3]. The diets had the following macronutrient proportions: a) very low fat (70% carb, 10% fat, 20% protein), b) high unsaturated fat (50% carb, 30% fat, 20% protein), and c) very low carb (4% carb, 61% fat, 35% protein). Since none of the groups were told to separate their fat and carb intake, the high unsaturated fat group should have lost the least amount of fat because of all that dreadful mixing, right? On the contrary, no significant differences were seen in total weight loss, or loss of bodyfat percent. And here’s the kicker: this lack of difference in bodyfat reduction was seen despite the distinctly different effects each diet had on fasting insulin levels.

Another recent trial compared two 1500 calorie diets, a non-ketogenic diet and a ketogenic one [4]. Insulin sensitivity was equally improved between the groups. No inhibition of fat loss was seen in the non-ketogenic diet despite the fact that it was moderate in both fat (30%) and carbs (40%). In fact, the non-keto group lost more bodyweight and bodyfat than the keto group, although neither of these effects was statistically significant. It appears that any threat of fat/carb combining slowing fat loss is imagination-based.

Carbs and Fat: Friends After all? - Fat Loss Troubleshooter-Leigh Peele

I've said it several times on these boards. There is substantial research on different dieting protocols. When calories are controlled and adequate protein is met, differences between various carb/fat ratios tend to be insignificant. Everyone wants to blame some evil food for their weight issues but 95% of the time you just eat too damn much.

[USAMMAFAN]

Originally Posted by Monger

Everyone wants to blame some evil food for their weight issues but 95% of the time you just eat too damn much.

bingo

best advice I ever got as far as loosing weight is right here and completely free

Weight-Loss Center - MayoClinic.com

becareful of advice from people trying to sell you shit or a goverment controlled by legislators who are in the pocket of special interest or who's home distrinct has a financial stake in the status quo

anytime serious money gets involved you can bet shit is being distorted

[B3rserk3R]

Originally Posted by Monger

Sometimes I think this board is really too biased when it comes to carbs and dieting. Macro nutrient profiles can make a difference, especially protein. But, by FAR, the biggest contributing factor in increased BF is and will always be consuming too many calories.

Agreed. I think carbs as a macro nutrient take a lot of heat for the fact that many high carb foods are calorically dense and highly processed usually combined with fat which makes it even better tasting but even more calorically dense so over eating is way too easy.

[JSN]

the problem with those two trials posted in the context of this thread is that they're both at auschwitz levels of overall calories. that doesn't really add up to much interesting for people interested in good diet. we all know that consuming a very small number of total calories will produce weight loss.

i t would be far more interesting to compare two groups consuming twice that amount of calories or more, with one avoiding almost all carbs and the other not.

[yuxn]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

I've read a few pieces of research that questions the ****bolic advantage that the Atkins diet supposedly gives you. Some studies that I've seen say the weight loss is mainly due to just eating fewer calories.

off the topic of course ... but... if a man has no enemies the he is no man at all ?!
i can understand why the " a few pieces of research" from that perspective

daammm i cant fkin understand for the life of me how people can not loose weight !!!

If you have time to eat then you have to have time for sex ... if not at least make exercice !!!

[NeenjaVanish]

Originally Posted by USAMMAFAN

Its fucking calories, that Atkins shit is a just a fad diet.

If you only burn 2000 calories and take in 3000 calories of protein you will gain fat

If you burn 2000 and only take in 1500 calories from jelly dougnuts you will lose.

Of course the jelly doughnuts would not be a healty diet.

The simplest answers are often the best, bravo sir.