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Old 09-27-2006, 04:48 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Too Much Testosterone Kills Brain Cells

Didn't see this article from Yahoo News posted yet, so I figured I would put it up. The experiment was performed in vitro, so take it worth a grain of salt. I also haven't taken a look at the actual scientific article yet, so I have no idea whether their methodology was sound or not. However, I wonder if anyone has any anecdotal stories related to this. Perhaps in friends getting a little dumber after steroid use, personal stories, etc.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Too much testosterone can kill brain cells, researchers said on Tuesday in a finding that may help explain why steroid abuse can cause behavior changes like aggressiveness and suicidal tendencies.

Tests on brain cells in lab dishes showed that while a little of the male hormone is good, too much of it causes cells to self-destruct in a process similar to that seen in brain illnesses such as Alzheimer's.

"Too little testosterone is bad, too much is bad but the right amount is perfect," said Barbara Ehrlich of Yale University in Connecticut, who led the study. Testosterone is key to the development, differentiation and growth of cells and is produced by both men and women, although men produce about 20 times more of the hormone. It can also be abused, and recent scandals have involved athletes who use the hormone, or steroids that turn into testosterone in the body, for an unfair advantage.

"Other people have shown that high levels of steroid can cause behavioral changes," Ehrlich said in a telephone interview.

"We can show that when you have high levels of steroids, you have high testosterone and that can destroy the nerve cells. We know that when you lose brain cells you lose function."
Ehrlich's team tried the same thing with the "female" hormone estrogen, just to be fair.
"We were surprised, but it actually looks like estrogen is neuroprotective. If anything, there is less cell death in the presence of estrogen," she said.

Writing in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, Ehrlich and colleagues said their findings meant people should think twice about supplementing with testosterone, even if it does build muscle mass and aid recovery after exercise.

"These effects of testosterone on neurons will have long term effects on brain function," they wrote. "Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement. The cells die via a process called apoptosis, also known as cell suicide or programmed cell death.

"Apoptosis is an important thing for the brain -- the brain needs to weed out some of the cells. But when it happens too frequently, you lose too many cells and causes problems."
A similar process is seen in Alzheimer's disease, the most common cause of dementia in the United States, affecting an estimated 4.5 million Americans, and Huntington's disease, another fatal brain illness. "Our results suggest that the responses to elevated testosterone can be compared with these pathophysiological conditions," the researchers wrote.
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Old 09-27-2006, 08:31 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Ill show this to all my brothers friends...They are seniors and everyone is getting on a pro-hormone/pro-test/hgh and they are always talking about it. Good find.
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Old 09-27-2006, 09:01 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Typo. Estrogen actually kills brain cells. Watch lifetime or WE for 20 minuets and feel your head getting lighter.
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Old 09-27-2006, 09:10 PM   #4 (permalink)

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"It can also be abused, and recent scandals have involved athletes who use the hormone, or steroids that turn into testosterone in the body, for an unfair advantage." LOL

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Old 09-27-2006, 09:51 PM   #5 (permalink)

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I don't believe that article because it was written by a slag! And in my experince all slappers say the same shit about not to eat too much protein or cut down on the red meat! Fuck em!!
From what I heard before too much testostrone leads to estrogen production which is bad for men and YAKA YAKA YADA YADA and don't know anymore and I don't give a fuck!
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:39 AM   #6 (permalink)

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I would be more than willing to decrease brain function for higher testosterone levels. I am already on a preemptive strike with all the beer anyways, might as well reap some of the benefits of high testosterone.

But really this article is worthless, abusing steroids is dangerous on all kinds of levels, we already know that. Why not study the responsible users or the countless number of people who are on steroid therapy. Maybe something like this,

Effects of Transdermal Testosterone on Cognitive Function and Health Perception in Older Men With Low Bioavailable Testosterone Levels

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Transdermal testosterone treatment in men with low bioavailable testosterone levels does not impair and may improve cognitive function.
Dont we already call them meatheads for a reason.
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Old 09-28-2006, 06:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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no wonder I been getting dumber for the last 5 years....lmao

i call bullshit on this article...

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Old 09-28-2006, 02:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Interesting, but without any mention of dosage anywhere, I have no context to place it in.
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Old 09-28-2006, 02:26 PM   #9 (permalink)

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Me loose brain cells, that's unpossible.
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Interesting enough but I would now like to see a study that actually analyzes cognitive abilities before and after cycles of varying lengths.
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