[Monger]

LoL, someone will post it sooner or later so it might as well be me

Q: I want to start using a "greens" product to help with muscular acidosis. Which do you recommend?

A: I can't recommend any of them, and furthermore, I probably owe everybody an apology for helping promote Greens + over the years.

I mean, I'm supposed to know what I'm talking about, but here I was telling people to use this anachronistic product. Has anybody aside from me even looked at the ingredients of this stuff? It's like 1960's era tree bark munchers developed it.

Never mind that it contains bilberry and licorice root — both known to shrink Testosterone levels — but aside from seaweed and lecithin, the main ingredients are mostly grasses, which constitute most of the food allergies experienced by man.

Oh yeah, it also has bee pollen, nature's "most perfect food."

Horseshit.

And most of the alleged magic properties of the product are supposedly because of the high amounts of chlorophyll it contains. More horseshit.

Most of the research on chlorophyll was conducted before antibiotics were available. True, chlorophyll kills certain types of bacteria, but it also promotes the growth of others. Regardless, you'd need very large amounts to actually have any effect on bacteria.

Of course, a lot of people use Greens + because it combats something called ****bolic acidosis.



Supposedly, people who follow a typical Western diet are persistently in this state of acidosis and that it will worsen with age and normal renal decline, the end result being osteoporosis, muscle wasting, kidney stones, hypertension, asthma, etc.

Most of the research supporting this idea comes from a nephrologist by the name of Anthony Sebastian at UCSF medical school. The cure for ****bolic acidosis is presumably to eat a lot more fruits and vegetables, and many of those who've accepted Sebastian's theories have turned to Greens +.

However, 99% of nephrologists will tell you the kidneys have a huge capacity for acid excretion and base retention and that it's only sickos with kidney disease who have to worry about these things. In fact, according to most of them, there's no way you can eat yourself into acidity if your kidney function is anywhere near 25% of normal.

That being said, there's no way I'm going to say it isn't a good idea to eat more fruits and vegetables. In fact it's a great idea. I'm only saying that Greens + sucks.

Hopefully, Biotest can come up with a suitable, infinitely more beneficial, "greens" supplement.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....dra?id=1770378

[VegetaGD]

Originally Posted by Monger

LoL, someone will post it sooner or later so it might as well be me



http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....dra?id=1770378

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It is, however, gonna take alot of convincing to make me beleive that wheat grass, barley grass, alfalfa juice, chlorella, & spirulina are not superfoods with excellent overall health properties.

[fat_wilhelm]

TC's a ***. His weekly article makes me want to hurl.

[Monger]

Originally Posted by fat_wilhelm

TC's a ***. His weekly article makes me want to hurl.

Ha ha... I agree, man.

[Ogun]

I have to admit to leaning towards a vegetable-and-fruit-only supplement, or at least starting to question and research the idea of whether I want to supplement grasses instead of purely veggies/fruit. But, at this point I'd characterize myself as confused rather than coming to any conclusion.

The article does make me wonder if Biotest is planning to announce a fruits-and-veggies-only supplement.

[Art Vandelay]

The best things about not reading T-nation in a while has been avoiding the Turd Commander's weekly ego-boost. That and no more Waterbury.

[erco]

t-nation's really schilling biotest these days. It's really gotten completely out of hand.

[Sonny]

I don't know how Berardi et al can stomach that fool. Seriously, his hairy backed, chest bumping rants are beyond predictable now.

[Art Vandelay]

Everybody has a price.

[Sonny]

For the Million Dollar Man.