[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

Yeah I keep seeing the same thing but with coffee it does the trick and it has pharmacutical grade on it, so I'm guessing its the real stuff.

Can't tell you who it was through at moment mate, I'm pretending to be at work

Gotcha. When you get a chance, let me know, just so I can correctly update the FAQ.

[Ian Coe]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Gotcha. When you get a chance, let me know, just so I can correctly update the FAQ.

Update with what

Contact info?

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

Update with what

Contact info?

The correct obtainable amount; I was under the impression it was 8mg in Canada.

[Ian Coe]

Oh


Ok, I'll pm you a link so you can varify.

On a side note- i just searched to try and find the site and found somewhere that did clen based in the UK, they weren't much more expensive then the effy the site did.

I didn't realise that stuff was so widely available

[karateguy36]

I've been trying to find good supplements to help with aerobic capacity for a while. I'm a former asthmatic, and my cardio is very very weak because of that.

Two supplements I've been looking into with good anecdotal evidence, but not much in the literature yet are rhodiola rosea and cordyceps sinensis. They're both strong adaptogens (think stimulants without jitteriness or crash, ie. ginseng) but most of the research on both have to do with general health benefits rather than athletic performance.

Still, there's much anecdotal evidence to support them. For instance in the early 90's when Chinese track athletes were breaking all sorts of records in long distance races they attributed a lot of their success to cordyceps supplementation. I know many triathletes and marathon runners who supplement with rhodiola regularly.

Just thought I'd throw this out there as an alternative way of thinking for this discussion. I trust creatine and beta-alanine as my staples as well, but I'm going to try these products and see if they make any noticable difference. Being in weak cardio shape to begin with, it should be easy to notice changes.

[Ian Coe]

Originally Posted by karateguy36

I've been trying to find good supplements to help with aerobic capacity for a while. I'm a former asthmatic, and my cardio is very very weak because of that.

Two supplements I've been looking into with good anecdotal evidence, but not much in the literature yet are rhodiola rosea and cordyceps sinensis. They're both strong adaptogens (think stimulants without jitteriness or crash, ie. ginseng) but most of the research on both have to do with general health benefits rather than athletic performance.

Still, there's much anecdotal evidence to support them. For instance in the early 90's when Chinese track athletes were breaking all sorts of records in long distance races they attributed a lot of their success to cordyceps supplementation. I know many triathletes and marathon runners who supplement with rhodiola regularly.

Just thought I'd throw this out there as an alternative way of thinking for this discussion. I trust creatine and beta-alanine as my staples as well, but I'm going to try these products and see if they make any noticable difference. Being in weak cardio shape to begin with, it should be easy to notice changes.

WHat happens lung wise when you run?


There is a marathon runner who isn't going to the olympics in beijing due to the smog effecting his ASTHMA

edit- swimming worked for my asthma

[karateguy36]

I have to start taking deep breaths and I can't hold a conversation after about half a km. By the time I hit 1.5 - 2 km, my chest is burning.

I do muay thai, which is a lot better for me, being intervals rather than continuous effort. I do tire quickly but I've gotten to the point where my recovery time is down. Still, by the end of a 1.5 hour class I'm definitely not keeping up any more. It's really frustrating, because I feel it's really hurting my skill and power training when I can't actually give 100% effort for an entire class.

[James Funaro]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

ZMA?

Just re-read the thread and saw this.

I choose to take Zinc over ZMA just because it is a lot cheaper. I don't see the point in the b6 and magnesium. I hear of athletes being deficient in zinc, but not in b6 or magnesium so what is the point.

[irc]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

Beta alanine is the way to go I think.


Creatine for the recovery aspect

I'm thinking of going back to creatine monohydrate as of late because of the negative things I've been hearing about creatine ethyl ester

Creatine? I thought creatine was done. Hasn't every reliable study showed it does nothing?

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Originally Posted by irc

Creatine? I thought creatine was done. Hasn't every reliable study showed it does nothing?

You're joking right?