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Originally Posted by massmma21
by the way OIP, In you sig your referencing a psalm which were written by david, not Jesus. Youre trying to reference Mark, but you in effect debunked your own argument because he was citing a psalm not cursing God. Mybe the most misinterpreted line in the bible.
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Yeah, including by you. The origin and meaning of Jesus' words are much debated.
"While hanging on the cross, the
Gospel of Mark has Jesus asking, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Many readers find this theologically perplexing, believing that God left him to die on the cross. According to a common interpretation of the scriptures,
God the Father was turning away from Jesus at this time because he was suffering in the place of sinners. Others recognise this as an exact quotation of the first verse of
Psalm 22, a common way at the time to refer to an entire Psalm. That Psalm begins with cries of despair, but ends on a note of hope and trust in God's triumph and deliverance. It also contains several details that have been taken to apply to Jesus' crucifixion, such as the soldiers casting lots for Jesus' garments and leaving his bones unbroken. Still, others of a long-held tradition see Jesus' words as the ultimate climax of Jesus' entering into the human condition; his exclamation here evinces his full experience and solidarity with humanity, even the experience of alienation from God.[
citation needed] Yet, others consider "why hast thou forsaken me" to be a mistranslation of the original
Aramaic: they argue that a better translation is "for this I was kept" or "why hast thou let me to live?."[
citation needed] Jesus' final words as recorded in
Luke 23:46 were "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit."
Just short and probably inadequate quote from Wikipedia above...
I will assume that you are a "believer" and feel the need to defend your faith in response to offense taken to my sig. If not, please correct me.
I will, for the sake of argument, assume that the story of the crucifixion is essentially accurate... and that is a huge assumption. Yet even still as described by wikipedia and demonstrated by any two people that you talk to... even believers don't agree on what happened and/or its meaning.
Even assuming Jesus was citing the Psalm of David, I still see this as a moment of alienation, self doubt and despair. He is singing a song in which the orator questions why the lord would allow such hardship...in other words.. he tapped.
The analysis comes down to each person's sense of life and how that sense finds them interpreting the event. Was Jesus aware of being divine?... if so, was it really that grand of an accomplishment to face death ...if you have inside information that you really are going to heaven, then what's so impressive about facing death without fear? Or, was Jesus no more sure than you or I and yet followed his faith to the death despite moments of doubt... a much more noble and impressive feat. Yet, this latter version opens up the possibility that he was a mere mortal and a mad man.
My sig responds to the ludicrous injection of Christian faith into MMA marketing... "Jesus Didn't Tap" is a joke. In case you're wondeing I also see it as laughable when fighters thank God after a bout. I find it offensively arrogant. It begins with me being a non-believer and follows to a critique based on the fact that I'm not sure Jesus would be too thrilled about having his sacrifice used as a marketing ploy for athletic violence. Tell me you see the bad fit there...?
Sorry for any offense you have taken to my sig... And please recognize that a truly adequate response to the exchange you have initiated simply cannot be served by way of a sherdog post.
We wouldn't be able to cover immaculate conception, the validity of the account of Noah's ark, and whether it's moral, appropriate, and beneficial to stone homosexuals, adulterers and those that dishonor their parents...for example.
Be well, honest, empathetic, and rational.
Sorry TS, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but I got called out.
