Sleep Aids/Dreaming

[ronin0352]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

It does; I've tried bumping it up to 2-3g, and I feel like total shit in the morning---wicked headache, groggy, lethargic. It goes against the grain, but a smaller dose works for me.

Hmm, I guess that just supports the theory that everyone's different. I take a small dose or don't take it at all (Like today ) and I hit snooze a few times before draggin my ass out of bed. When I take 5g + 3 ZMA tabs and I am up out of bed and ready to go first shot. Sometimes I even wake up 3 - 5 minutes before the alarm goes off.

[Bocgam]

Originally Posted by black koala

Melatonin is the only substance that I take at night to help me sleep. It really puts me in a deep sleep and allows me to have very long dreams. The pills are not expensive at all and you wake up feeling great. Seriosly you have to try them and post about your dreams. The only time I remember having dreams is when i take them.

I'll second this.

Also a powerful antioxidant.

[eneyman86]

is it safe to stack sleep aids such as phenibut with ZMA, or ZMA and melatonin? Anyone have experience with Phenibut because it sounds like a recreational drug or something, but I am tempted lol

[eneyman86]

also, how do these sleep aids compare to diphenhydramine which is found in over the counter sleep meds like tylenol pm/night time, benadryl etc..

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Insomnia is usually the first sign of depression

Maybe that's it. I've been feeling a little down the last few days.

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by eneyman86

also, how do these sleep aids compare to diphenhydramine which is found in over the counter sleep meds like tylenol pm/night time, benadryl etc..

I take diphenhydramine....but never in consecutive nights. I get rebound insomnia from it. It works well as a mild CNS depressant, so you fall asleep faster; the downside is the half life, which can be up to 8 hours. A 25mg tablet would be m.etabolized probably in well under 8 hours, though, in a healthy adult. I took 100mg one night, and I was a mess the next day. Do don't do what I did, lol.

[eneyman86]

I learned the hard way last night Mike. Last night I didn't take anything, but the previous two nights I took tylenol PM and I was not able to sleep last night. I feel horrible right now and by entire body aches and is in pain.. I think I am going to order a few supplements today for sleep

[Jake Martin]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

I take diphenhydramine....but never in consecutive nights. I get rebound insomnia from it. It works well as a mild CNS depressant, so you fall asleep faster; the downside is the half life, which can be up to 8 hours. A 25mg tablet would be m.etabolized probably in well under 8 hours, though, in a healthy adult. I took 100mg one night, and I was a mess the next day. Do don't do what I did, lol.

It also has hallucinogenic effects at incredibly high dosages. Though I don't understand how people can stay awake to get to that point..

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Shotokan777

It also has hallucinogenic effects at incredibly high dosages. Though I don't understand how people can stay awake to get to that point..

Yeah, I see that on the street a lot; kids purposely taking high-dose Gravol (dimenhydrinate) and Benadryl (diphenhydramine) due to their anticholingeric effects. Not a smart thing to do, intentionally overdose on anti-cholinergics.

[RedNeckJiuJitsu]

I've been takin' ZMA (GNC's version), melatonin, and 2 (of 3 recommended, due to the valerian in my zma) valerian root about an hour before bed. I seem to get better sleep, even if it's not quite as much as I should get (stupidity on my fault), but, TS, I dont seem to dream much at night either. Never have. I have a much higher chance of dreamin' durin' a nap than full on sleep.

Also, I agree that sleep is the first thing to go with depression. When it's hittin' me, I'll be tired and know I need to sleep, but I just wont have any desire to sleep.