Sleep Aids/Dreaming

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Lubaolong

I think I'll try some of that. I'm going on 89 hours right now. :o Crazy, huh?

That's out of control, shit. Why?!?!

[WRoutson]

i took a prescription sleep aid called elefil or elevil or something like that.i had a really hard time falling asleep after some personal shit,and eventually i evened out and was able to fall asleep normally again.didn't have any dependency issues either.

[black koala]

Melatonin is the only substance that I take at night to help me sleep. It really puts me in a deep sleep and allows me to have very long dreams. The pills are not expensive at all and you wake up feeling great. Seriosly you have to try them and post about your dreams. The only time I remember having dreams is when i take them.

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by eneyman86

Mike, does the ZMA+GABA relax you a little or put you out cold?

It doesn't "put you out cold"; the Mg in the ZMA is a natural muscle relaxant, and the b6 (theoretically) causes increased serotonin/dopamine release, which enhances dreaming. Neither of these will put you to sleep instantly---they just help the sleep process along.

GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, so it's just potentiating these effects in a similar manner.

My issue is actually falling asleep in the first place; whether it's due to stress or the inability to unwind, I don't know. I'm not keen on working out after 7PM precisely for this fact.

I've tried pretty much EVERY type of sleep aid under the sun, and I also had a small short term prescription for zopiclone (Imovane) at one point; a regular dose of ZMA and 750mg GABA has had the most efficacy with the least amount of side effects, for me.

[eneyman86]

awesome replies you guys, has anybody tried Phenibut? I am reading alot of things about it and people recommend it..

[Lubaolong]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

That's out of control, shit. Why?!?!

I don't really know. I've had trouble sleeping sometimes for the last couple years now. Friday night, I stayed up talking to someone on MSN until about 11 AM Saturday. Then I couldn't fall asleep, so I just stayed awake with plans of sleeping Saturday night. But for some reason, I was just really wired and couldn't sleep, so I decided to catch up on some stuff for school and my business. Then last night I actually did sleep for about 1.5 hours, but a phone call woke me up. I feel a little jacked up, but I don't feel like I could sleep if I lied down right now. I'm going to take about 8 Benadryl tabs in a bit.

[TX911]

Originally Posted by WRoutson

i took a prescription sleep aid called elefil or elevil or something like that.i had a really hard time falling asleep after some personal shit,and eventually i evened out and was able to fall asleep normally again.didn't have any dependency issues either.

elavil (amitriptilyne) is a TCA (tricyclic antidepressant.) Sounds more like he was more addressing the issue of the anxiety and emotional effects that were disturbing your sleep cycle rather than just prescribing you a sleep aid like alot of docs do in the form of benzos like temazepam, estazolam, alprazolam, triazolam, etc which can all be habit forming.

[Yep.]

I take a 5mg melatonin pill before I go to bed and 30 minutes later I'm sleeping like a fuckin' baby.

[ronin0352]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

It' doesn't "put you out cold"; the Mg in the ZMA is a natural muscle relaxant, and the b6 (theoretically) causes increased serotonin/dopamine release, which enhances dreaming. Neither of these will put you to sleep instantly---they just help the sleep process along.

GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, so it's just potentiating these effects in a similar manner.

My issue is actually falling asleep in the first place; weather it's due to stress or the inability to unwind, I don't know. I'm not keen on working out after 7PM precisely for this fact.

I've tried pretty much EVERY type of sleep aid under the sun, and I also had a small short term prescription for zopiclone (Imovane) at one point; a regular dose of ZMA and 750mg GABA has had the most efficay with the least amount of side effects, for me.

That small of a dose helps? I read this on the True Protein forum and figured 3-5gm was the recommended dosage.

Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2007 Dec 4 [Epub ahead of print]

Growth Hormone Isoform Responses to GABA Ingestion at Rest and after Exercise.

Powers ME, Yarrow JF, McCoy SC, Borst SE.
1Division of Athletic Training, Shenendoah University, Winchester, VA; 2Department of Applied Physiology and Kinesiology, Center for Exercise Science, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL; and 3Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, VA Medical Center, Gainesville, FL.

Oral administration of the amino acid/inhibitory neurotransmitter gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA) reportedly elevates resting serum growth hormone (GH) concentrations. PURPOSE:: To test the hypothesis that GABA ingestion stimulates immunoreactive GH (irGH) and immunofunctional GH (ifGH) release at rest and that GABA augments the resistance exercise-induced irGH/ifGH responses. METHODS:: Eleven resistance-trained men (18-30 yr) participated in this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study. During each experimental bout, participants ingested either 3 g of GABA or sucrose placebo (P), followed either by resting or resistance exercise sessions. Fasting venous blood samples were acquired immediately before and at 15, 30, 45, 60, 75, and 90 min after GABA or P ingestion and were assayed for irGH and ifGH. RESULTS:: At rest, GABA ingestion elevated both irGH and ifGH compared with placebo. Specifically, peak concentrations of both hormones were elevated by about 400%, and the area under the curve (AUC) was elevated by about 375% (P < 0.05). Resistance exercise (EX-P) elevated time-point (15-60 min) irGH and ifGH concentrations compared with rest (P < 0.05). The combination of GABA and resistance exercise (EX-GABA) also elevated the peak, AUC, and the 15- to 60-min time-point irGH and ifGH responses compared with resting conditions (P < 0.05). Additionally, 200% greater irGH (P < 0.01) and 175% greater ifGH (P < 0.05) concentrations were observed in the EX-GABA than in the EX-P condition, 30 min after ingestion. GABA ingestion did not alter the irGH to ifGH ratio, and, under all conditions, ifGH represented approximately 50% of irGH. CONCLUSIONS:: Our data indicate that ingested GABA elevates resting and postexercise irGH and ifGH concentrations. The extent to which irGH/ifGH secretion contributes to skeletal muscle hypertrophy is unknown, although augmenting the postexercise irGH/ifGH response may improve resistance training-induced muscular adaptations.
PMID: 18091016 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Can't post the link as I clicked on it and you have to be registered with them to access.

EDIT: Here's the link to the page I found that on though.
http://serv01.siteground174.com/~tru...ead.php?t=1157

[TKMaxx715]

would sleep aids help if im getting enough sleep but am tired all day? Im hoping im just not getting quality sleep or something...

PS: my diet isnt the greatest but its a helluva lot better than most i know as i do cut out a lot