Save
Random Shot: 
 

Welcome to the Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

 

Go Back  Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums > Training Discussion > Dieting / Supplement Discussion > Sleep Aids/Dreaming

Reply
 
Sherdog Forums
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-07-2008, 10:29 PM   #1 (permalink)

Blue Belt
 
eneyman86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 829
Status: eneyman86 is offline
Sleep Aids/Dreaming

Hi all, i've searched through a few of the threads in the past about sleep aids and such but wanted to create a new one which combines various supplements and what the benefits are of them all. Anyways, I want to get better, deeper sleep in which I dream more and want to know which supplements I should use. I have heard melatonin, valerian, ZMA, and GABA. What I want is actually a powerful effect that I guess puts me out cold after working out or a hard day but does not leave me messed up in the morning when I wake up. I have tried Tylenol PM these past 2 nights and have had great sleep and a crazy dream where I was killing cylons in battlestar galactica, but I woke up all lethargic and groggy. What are the differences between ZMA and GABA and which is better, also which should I get between melatonin or valerian (or both?) Any tips would be great, thanks all!
eneyman86 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote

Old 04-07-2008, 10:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
Beaten paths are for beaten men.
 
ronin0352's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,379
Status: ronin0352 is offline
I take GABA & ZMA & so far I'm pretty impressed with the results. My sleep time is limited due to my crazy work schedule, but I seem to get a lot more QUALITY sleep now. I take a scoop (roughly 5 gms) of GABA & the recommended serving of ZMA (3 pills with the brand I have.) I wasn't too impressed with melatonin in the past, and never tried Valerian. Good luck
__________________
StW - Member 00135

"Don't get in shape to train. Train your way into shape" - Chris Kimmerly
"Few things are graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." - Mark Rippetoe
ronin0352 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 10:40 PM   #3 (permalink)

Yellow Belt
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 202
Status: Vice is offline
I too have badass dreams when doing any type of drowsy cold medication. And I too generally do not wake up the greatest if not timed properly.

Never tried any real sleep aide...
Vice is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 10:48 PM   #4 (permalink)

Blue Belt
 
eneyman86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 829
Status: eneyman86 is offline
Hey, have you noticed any changes in dreams or having more dreams when in these supplements? Also, is GABA safe and something that I should take if I don't life weights?
eneyman86 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 10:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
Amateur Fighter
 
Jake Martin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,499
Status: Jake Martin is offline
Send a message via AIM to Jake Martin
Sweet, I want to have BSG dreams. Preferably me, number six, and a change in sheets in the morning...
__________________
St. Wilhelm's Member #00081 - http://www.saintwilhelms.org/

"By my count, I should be able to kill 200-300 people in under 10 minutes." - finnegan
Jake Martin is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 10:52 PM   #6 (permalink)

Black Belt
 
Zero_Sen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: South of Heaven/North of Hell
Posts: 6,133
Status: Zero_Sen is offline
I'm a bona fide insomniac.

I've tried valerian in the past, and I didn't notice any benefit to my sleep. There is a mild relaxation effect, but nothing to write home to the sandman about. Plus valerian smells kind of like stinky feet. Even in caplet form.

With melatonin alone, I've noticed nothing. But when I stack it with other sleep aids, it seems to get the job done. Definitely increases the quality and "depth" of sleep.

I haven't tried GABA yet, but I hear really good things and I'm going to look into it.

I actually haven't heard much about ZMA as a sleep aid per se ... more of a testosterone-boosting supplement that you take before bed. But if anyone has any info, I'd appreciate a link.
__________________
Deep and rich like silt on a riverbed.
Zero_Sen is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 10:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
Amateur Fighter
 
Jake Martin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,499
Status: Jake Martin is offline
Send a message via AIM to Jake Martin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero_Sen View Post
I haven't tried GABA yet, but I hear really good things and I'm going to look into it.

I actually haven't heard much about ZMA as a sleep aid per se ... more of a testosterone-boosting supplement that you take before bed. But if anyone has any info, I'd appreciate a link.
I've no links, but I'm told the magnesium is what actually causes the muscle relaxation and 'sleepy' effects.

I'm interested in GABA, but for now I'm going to partake in some of this actual 'sleep' stuff we're all so excited for.
__________________
St. Wilhelm's Member #00081 - http://www.saintwilhelms.org/

"By my count, I should be able to kill 200-300 people in under 10 minutes." - finnegan
Jake Martin is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 11:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
What Would Tommy Gavin Do?
 
MikeMartial's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Lactate Threshold
Posts: 4,942
Status: MikeMartial is offline
ZMA + GABA is my gold standard stack.
__________________
If you don't take fish oil, you're a fucking idiot.
MikeMartial is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 11:25 PM   #9 (permalink)

Blue Belt
 
eneyman86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 829
Status: eneyman86 is offline
Mike, does the ZMA+GABA relax you a little or put you out cold?
eneyman86 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 11:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
IM KIND OF A BIG DEAL
 
Lubaolong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 16,381
Status: Lubaolong is online now
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMartial View Post
ZMA + GABA is my gold standard stack.
I think I'll try some of that. I'm going on 89 hours right now. :o Crazy, huh?
__________________
If you do happen to see me out in the real world, do me a favor and don't talk to me. I'm far too rich and important to be seen with you.
Lubaolong is online now  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote

Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Misstag III hybris Sprechen Ze Jive 7582 10-07-2008 04:41 AM
being put to sleep?? juce180 Grappling Technique 63 04-13-2008 08:26 PM
Eating before sleep? Yeen Dieting / Supplement Discussion 12 08-14-2007 09:00 AM
benadryl for going to sleep stylesbjj Dieting / Supplement Discussion 10 07-29-2007 04:09 PM
****__WHY does EVERYONE SLEEP ON ANDERSON SILVA???___%%*** KOTT The Heavyweights: UFC and WEC 43 05-01-2007 01:58 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version {1. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008 Sherdog.com | Privacy Policy | Click here to advertise on Sherdog