[ronin0352]

Originally Posted by Loomy

Just FYI, that stuff is 25% epa+dha. You might call it unrefined. 75% of it is waste oil that you don't want or need. Unless you are getting it cheap, you might be getting ripped off

The stuff I linked above is 75% epa+dha. I'm guessing it doesn't cost 3x more...

According to the label out of 1500 mg fish oil, 750 mg is EPA & 500 mg is DHA. Last I checked that was considerably more than 25%, more like 83% actually. Are you saying they're lying? Do you have a source for this?

I'm just curious, BTW, not being a dick.

[JohnnyBuddha]

Anyone try this stuff out?



One tsp has 760 EPA, 500 DHA and it has a good orange flavour...the fishiness only kicks in if you don't eat or drink anything after it.

It usually ranges from $15-17 CDN which works out to be about 40 cents a dose (1260mL). I like it quite a bit.

EDIT: Whoops, seems it was mentioned already on p. 6

[Newt]

If you have decent prescription drug coverage/insurance, talk to your doc about a prescription for Lovaza http://www.lovaza.com/consumer/about/. It's the strongest, purest fish oil that I know of. I can get three months worth of four capsules a day for $35 through my Blue Cross mail order pharmacy - a much better deal than what I was paying at Costco, GNC, or anywhere else, plus I don't have to take as many capsules and am getting more - each pill has 840mg of EPA/DHA - the purest I have seen.

[Loomy]

Originally Posted by ronin0352

According to the label out of 1500 mg fish oil, 750 mg is EPA & 500 mg is DHA. Last I checked that was considerably more than 25%, more like 83% actually. Are you saying they're lying? Do you have a source for this?

I'm just curious, BTW, not being a dick.

It's okay, one of us is just misreading it ;)



It says that a serving is 1tsp = 5ml, and that 5ml has 4.85g of oil. That is 4850mg of product in a serving.

It then says that 1500mg of that 4850mg is omega 3. 750mg epa, 500mg dha, and the rest "other" which probably means ALA, though I'm not sure why they wouldn't label it as such.

So 500mg+750mg is the epa+dha. That is 1250mg. 1250mg divided by 4850mg = 25.77%.

So 25% of that bottle is the stuff you want, a bit is ALA, and the rest (most of it) is undefined fish fluid.

Unfortunately, misleading food labels persist in america. It's like the protein bottles that say they have 400000 grams of protein per serving more than the competition, when in reality everyone is using the same 90-whatever% protein from the same dairy company. The "serving" thing is a scam because they can pick whatever size they want to trick people. Cereal boxes from the same manufacturer will all use the same serving size, EXCEPT for their "diet" cereal which they'll use a slightly smaller serving size for, to trick people into thinking it is better when compared to the other boxes.

It's like making a box slightly thinner to sell less product for the same price. Or putting more air in the bag. Or pricing things 4.99 rather than 5.00

It's simply anti-consumer, because not everyone is in the head space to analyze food labels in detail. Not everyone is a food scientist. Government regulations try to protect people, but government is people and people are fallible.

So it's not all your fault for making that mistake. Someone probably spent a lot of effort trying to make that label as misleading as possible.

[Loomy]

Originally Posted by Newt

If you have decent prescription drug coverage/insurance, talk to your doc about a prescription for Lovaza http://www.lovaza.com/consumer/about/. It's the strongest, purest fish oil that I know of. I can get three months worth of four capsules a day for $35 through my Blue Cross mail order pharmacy - a much better deal than what I was paying at Costco, GNC, or anywhere else, plus I don't have to take as many capsules and am getting more - each pill has 840mg of EPA/DHA - the purest I have seen.

That stuff is crazy hardcore concentrated. It is just very purified omega 3, so I'm not sure why it is a prescription drug... I'm guessing their refinement process costs so much money that they only way they can afford to sell it is to not compete with traditional omega 3 pills, and only sell it through the health care system.

A quick google shows 100 pills costing 100 bucks, which is like 10x more than the NOW ultra omega 3, 75% epa+dha pills 0_o

[Newt]

Originally Posted by Loomy

That stuff is crazy hardcore concentrated. It is just very purified omega 3, so I'm not sure why it is a prescription drug... I'm guessing their refinement process costs so much money that they only way they can afford to sell it is to not compete with traditional omega 3 pills, and only sell it through the health care system.

A quick google shows 100 pills costing 100 bucks, which is like 10x more than the NOW ultra omega 3, 75% epa+dha pills 0_o

Yeah, my out of pocket expense for three month's supply is $35, but the bill I receive indicates my insurance paid something like $300 - not a bad deal for me, or anyone else that can get a prescription and have most of it covered by insurance.

[ronin0352]

Originally Posted by Loomy

It's okay, one of us is just misreading it ;)


It says that a serving is 1tsp = 5ml, and that 5ml has 4.85g of oil. That is 4850mg of product in a serving.

It then says that 1500mg of that 4850mg is omega 3. 750mg epa, 500mg dha, and the rest "other" which probably means ALA, though I'm not sure why they wouldn't label it as such.

So 500mg+750mg is the epa+dha. That is 1250mg. 1250mg divided by 4850mg = 25.77%.

So 25% of that bottle is the stuff you want, a bit is ALA, and the rest (most of it) is undefined fish fluid.

Unfortunately, misleading food labels persist in america. It's like the protein bottles that say they have 400000 grams of protein per serving more than the competition, when in reality everyone is using the same 90-whatever% protein from the same dairy company. The "serving" thing is a scam because they can pick whatever size they want to trick people. Cereal boxes from the same manufacturer will all use the same serving size, EXCEPT for their "diet" cereal which they'll use a slightly smaller serving size for, to trick people into thinking it is better when compared to the other boxes.

It's like making a box slightly thinner to sell less product for the same price. Or putting more air in the bag. Or pricing things 4.99 rather than 5.00

It's simply anti-consumer, because not everyone is in the head space to analyze food labels in detail. Not everyone is a food scientist. Government regulations try to protect people, but government is people and people are fallible.

So it's not all your fault for making that mistake. Someone probably spent a lot of effort trying to make that label as misleading as possible.

OK, I see what you're saying now. Thanks for clearing that up. I must be getting old, it makes my eyes water trying to read the label in that pic

[IHEARTBOXCARS]

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=910074

is this for real?

[Newt]

Originally Posted by IHEARTBOXCARS

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=910074

is this for real?

DHA content is pretty good - ~550mg per capsule. I'd still go with the Lovaza if you can get a prescription and have it covered by insurance.

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Loomy

It says that a serving is 1tsp = 5ml, and that 5ml has 4.85g of oil. That is 4850mg of product in a serving.

It then says that 1500mg of that 4850mg is omega 3. 750mg epa, 500mg dha, and the rest "other" which probably means ALA, though I'm not sure why they wouldn't label it as such.

So 500mg+750mg is the epa+dha. That is 1250mg. 1250mg divided by 4850mg = 25.77%.

So 25% of that bottle is the stuff you want, a bit is ALA, and the rest (most of it) is undefined fish fluid.

Interesting outlook, Loomy. I emailed the company regarding this issue, but haven't heard back yet. I don't think the quality is in doubt here, but I'm curious to how (and if) they'll respond to my email.