[WRoutson]

Originally Posted by hooligan923

best energy drink by far is VEMMA/VERVE! They're not sold in stores and are only advertised by pyramid scheme I highly recommend them. Check it out....

and....i predict teh ban in 5...4...3...2....

[strangejosh]

nice read, thanks

[Vedic]

Brand new Carnitine study


: J Strength Cond Res. 2008 Jul;22(4):1130-5.Links
Effects of L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on muscle oxygenation responses to resistance exercise.
Spiering BA, Kraemer WJ, Hatfield DL, Vingren JL, Fragala MS, Ho JY, Thomas GA, Häkkinen K, Volek JS.

Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, Connecticut, USA.

Previous research has shown that L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation beneficially affects markers of hypoxic stress following resistance exercise. However, the mechanism of this response is unclear. Therefore, the primary purpose of this study was to determine the effects of LCLT supplementation on muscle tissue oxygenation during and after multiple sets of squat exercise. Nine healthy, previously resistance-trained men (25.2 +/- 6.years, 91.2 +/- 10.2 kg, 180.2 +/- 6.3 cm) ingested 2 g.d of LCLT or an identical placebo for 23 days in a randomized, balanced, crossover, double-blind, placebo-controlled, repeated-measures study design. On day 21, forearm muscle oxygenation was measured during and after an upper arm occlusion protocol using near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS), which measures the balance of oxygen delivery in relation to oxygen consumption. On day 22, subjects performed 5 sets of 15 to 20 repetitions of squat exercise with corresponding measures of thigh muscle oxygenation, via NIRS, and serial blood draws. Compared to the placebo trial, muscle oxygenation was reduced in the LCLT trial during upper arm occlusion and following each set of resistance exercise. Despite reduced oxygenation, plasma malondealdehyde, a marker of membrane damage, was attenuated during the LCLT trial. There were no differences between trials in the vasoactive substance prostacyclin. In conclusion, because oxygen delivery was occluded during the forearm protocol, it is proposed that enhanced oxygen consumption mediated the reduced muscle oxygenation during the LCLT trial. Enhanced oxygen consumption would explain why hypoxic stress was attenuated with LCLT supplementation.

PMID: 18545197 [PubMed - in process

[Luke5181]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Nope don't like it and have had a load of successful clients that never touch it.

I'm not sure of it's actual benefits. I have taken it off and on for over 10 years. Started out with simple monohydrate and have taken CEE as of lately. I'm still not convinced.

[JinKazama]

i really need to look into this CLT

[PhenomKidd]

I would take creatine off and put int whey protein. I'm biased as against creatine. I've heard it causes your muscles to intake more water for larger but softer appearance, can cause cramps (debunked I think), and has no long term studies.

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by PhenomKidd

I would take creatine off and put int whey protein. I'm biased as against creatine. I've heard it causes your muscles to intake more water for larger but softer appearance, can cause cramps (debunked I think), and has no long term studies.

LOL

[ronin0352]

So I take it our threads are still making the front page

[PhenomKidd]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

LOL

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Never said they were true I said I heard that causing me to biased against it.

[ozzie]

Originally Posted by PhenomKidd

?
Never said they were true I said I heard that causing me to biased against it.

That's called spreading rumors. Go to pubmed.com and check out some creatine studies if you're interested.