[JSN]

beans and rice diet failed for ricco rodriguez.

learn how to poach and egg. a nice runny poached egg is great on a salad.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

What mine consisted of? Good lord man, think about it.

because you are two weeks in, not six weeks in. Most see a decline in perofrmance in diet changes weeks 3-5 if you don't cool. But like i said, what level of performance are you at?

It's not the only way, as I said, what level of training are you at or have you attained?

I was in relatively good shape before, when i was eating meat. I could still do 3 x 5's. Or 5 x 3's
in boxing. The only thing Is that I would be a little tired in the later rounds. But recently I've been feeling like amazing since I changed my diet. My cardio has been amazing, and I've felt like I can just keep on going. I've had a pretty big boost in energy, and lost about 4 pounds. Which is actually a lot of weight, I was in pretty good shape already. The diet just completely changed everything about me, mentally..physically. Like i said, I was just as skeptical as you..but my friend urged me to try not eating meat for a month and see how you feel. It's basically the only way you can look at the facts and actually understand them because You've experienced it yourself.



I only eat Non Genetically modified organic produce..No chemicals / pesticides/ or any of that..only natural substances used to grow it. All natural materials that we usually throw out, Potato skins / banana peels / any type of organic material..we throw it into the composter. Use it every phew days. or even weeks. All the food I don't grow myself comes from an organic farm out in Delta BC vancouver. So basically all the food I consume is natural and whole food. I was told that i don't need vitamin b12 because After a long period of eating meat, it builds up in your blood stream. It will be quite some time before I will actually need it.

If your diet consists of food like this..various types of fruits / vegetables / nuts / seeds are also a good source of complete protein..the same kind that comes from meat.

Like i said, I was already relatively healthy before when i ate meat.

I do have to add legumes / beans / dark leafy greens to my diet as well.

If your food consists of a diet like this, there isn't much chance that you aren't getting adequate nutrition / complete protein / and vitamin b12.

My assumption is that you think all vegetables and fruits are created equally. There's a pretty big difference in the nutritional quality between Non gmo and GMO produce. Organic produce uses no chemicals or pesticides at all. However GMO practices use Massive amounts of toxic chemicals and pesticides for fertilization and bugs. The problem is that these are some seriously toxic chemicals they are spraying on it, Most of which we are ingesting into our body every single day if we buy vegetables from the supermarket. But theres more, These highly dangerous and toxic chemicals are sprayed onto the soil for many seasons, year after year after year of This use..have caused dilution of the nutrients present in the soil. Don't forget that Nutrition in vegetables comes from the soil that it's grown in. This is why vegetables and fruits in the supermarket are frequently lacking in the amount of nutrients present in comparison to their organic cousin.

We are meant to consume unmodified whole foods, Not modified foods. That is the only way we will assure our health and well being.

Like i said, What type of food did you eat? Lets get down to specifics here..you're a personal trainer, you need to answer the question.

Read a book called the empty harvest, there is an E-book of it on google.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Jesus how do you want me to answer when you re word every fucking post you make? This is the last one I go back to correct when I already responded once.

Because you have been on it two weeks, I already explained that. Again what level of athlete are you?

That is why you don't train people

No it doesn't and I posted a direct study and profile to show that meat has made some profiles improve, again reading what you want to read.

I have, as I said I am talking from a performance perspective. When you can work out at the same level as me and stay vegan come chat with me.

"this is why you don't train people" Not many people want to train, I actually want to fight.

Besides that, I asked you a question as to what you ate when you were a vegan If in fact you were one. This would explain why you were so diluted of energy.

If you can't even answer a question that would solve this argument, you have no right to attack my beliefs dude. It just means you look dumb. Just answer the question, it's a simple one.

What did your diet consist of? Let's get down to some serious detail.

Does that sound like a difficult question for somebody that claims to train people? I thought that diet was a very important factor in that??


I don't buy at all that anybody who has a healthy balanced diet like this could ever be diluted of energy..In fact I've never seen it. I've only seen very healthy strong, fit people with strong immune systems.

One problem is that there isn't enough "vegans" that are actually eating a diet like this, Majority of them are just unsure of what to eat half the time.

Originally Posted by Vedic

Is that every salad? That is my point, you need to say what each one is, or else we have no way of telling your micronutrient consumption for the day.

We all like meat, Cory is a exception.

Lots of things can be prepared easily.

I like meat too..But that's not the reason I switched my diet. Animal rights is not why I switched my diet. Religion certainly has nothing to do with why I switched my diet.

It was for health reasons. It's a known fact that cholesterol is only present in meat based products.

Cholesterol being the #1 or #2 cause of illness in America, It can therefore be associated with disease. Maintaining a low count of cholesterol usually indicates a strong immune system. Here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to go to the doctor, and check my cholesterol. I can scan the information that is given to me from the doctor, and send it to vedic.

1 month later, I will show him the result from my second cholesterol check.

This way he will be able to see the significant difference in cholesterol that is achieved from cutting all sources of other cholesterol out of your diet. In which case that would be meat.

There is enough cholesterol produced by our bodies naturally, and we don't actually need it from outside sources. Remember that meat is the only source of cholesterol on the planet, But that we are also animals ourselves and naturally produce it as well.

[MikeMartial]

Can both of you do me a favor and ignore each other? And I mean actually use your user CP and ignore each other. Every damn thread is turning into a Cory vs Vedic, and I'm fucking tired of it, as is the rest of the D&S readers.

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

"this is why you don't train people" Not many people want to train, I actually want to fight.


I train fighters man, ask around here, plenty have used me for that. Barut, fatkid, etc



Besides that, I asked you a question as to what you ate when you were a vegan If in fact you were one. This would explain why you were so diluted of energy.

It wouldn't explain it. I told you what happened. I don't post my exact diets as that is how I make money. It was done correctly, again you have not trained at that level to judge that matter.





If you can't even answer a question that would solve this argument, you have no right to attack my beliefs dude. It just means you look dumb. Just answer the question, it's a simple one.


I answer what I want to answer. I ate organic foods, non gmo, fruits, veggies, olives of all types, avocados, nuts etc.



What did your diet consist of? Let's get down to some serious detail.




I already told you, and just like my clients, you will never see my exact diet, even if it was right now. My minor is nutrition and have been training people for over a decade, it was done correctly

Does that sound like a difficult question for somebody that claims to train people? I thought that diet was a very important factor in that??



Claim? As I said ask around here, it's no claim


I don't buy at all that anybody who has a healthy balanced diet like this could ever be diluted of energy..In fact I've never seen it. I've only seen very healthy strong, fit people with strong immune systems.


Cory, have you ever been to a olympic workout? A olympic tryout? have you deadlifted 600x6 and gone out and done metcon after etc? As I said you have never trained even CLOSE to that level, so how would you know?


One problem is that there isn't enough "vegans" that are actually eating a diet like this, Majority of them are just unsure of what to eat half the time.

Great, and that does nothing for me. Again in the red

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Can both of you do me a favor and ignore each other? And I mean actually use your user CP and ignore each other. Every damn thread is turning into a Cory vs Vedic, and I'm fucking tired of it, as is the rest of the D&S readers.

All he PM's me is spam shit. This ia a discussion. We aren't even having a heated debate. What's the point of this board then? because I keep seeing the same stupid new threads every day, and we leave those up there

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Vedic

All he PM's me is spam shit. This ia a discussion. We aren't even having a heated debate. What's the point of this board then? because I keep seeing the same stupid new threads every day, and we leave those up there

Honestly Vedic, is any of this productive? Yes, it's a debate between the two of you,and you guys will never see eye to eye. Both of you sent me PMs complaining of spam in each others inbox from the other. If you each ignore one another, this problem would be solved.

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

I was in relatively good shape before, when i was eating meat. I could still do 3 x 5's. Or 5 x 3's
in boxing. The only thing Is that I would be a little tired in the later rounds. But recently I've been feeling like amazing since I changed my diet. My cardio has been amazing, and I've felt like I can just keep on going. I've had a pretty big boost in energy, and lost about 4 pounds. Which is actually a lot of weight, I was in pretty good shape already. The diet just completely changed everything about me, mentally..physically. Like i said, I was just as skeptical as you..but my friend urged me to try not eating meat for a month and see how you feel. It's basically the only way you can look at the facts and actually understand them because You've experienced it yourself.



Define relative, it's like saying "vegetarian"



I only eat Non Genetically modified organic produce..No chemicals / pesticides/ or any of that..only natural substances used to grow it. All natural materials that we usually throw out, Potato skins / banana peels / any type of organic material..we throw it into the composter. Use it every phew days. or even weeks. All the food I don't grow myself comes from an organic farm out in Delta BC vancouver. So basically all the food I consume is natural and whole food. I was told that i don't need vitamin b12 because After a long period of eating meat, it builds up in your blood stream. It will be quite some time before I will actually need it.


Oh really? Only blood tests will show that


If your diet consists of food like this..various types of fruits / vegetables / nuts / seeds are also a good source of complete protein..the same kind that comes from meat.

Like i said, I was already relatively healthy before when i ate meat.

I do have to add legumes / beans / dark leafy greens to my diet as well.

If your food consists of a diet like this, there isn't much chance that you aren't getting adequate nutrition / complete protein / and vitamin b12.




Relative again

My assumption is that you think all vegetables and fruits are created equally. There's a pretty big difference in the nutritional quality between Non gmo and GMO produce. Organic produce uses no chemicals or pesticides at all. However GMO practices use Massive amounts of toxic chemicals and pesticides for fertilization and bugs. The problem is that these are some seriously toxic chemicals they are spraying on it, Most of which we are ingesting into our body every single day if we buy vegetables from the supermarket. But theres more, These highly dangerous and toxic chemicals are sprayed onto the soil for many seasons, year after year after year of This use..have caused dilution of the nutrients present in the soil. Don't forget that Nutrition in vegetables comes from the soil that it's grown in. This is why vegetables and fruits in the supermarket are frequently lacking in the amount of nutrients present in comparison to their organic cousin.


You know what they say about ASS-U-me


We are meant to consume unmodified whole foods, Not modified foods. That is the only way we will assure our health and well being.



Wow, ok, groundbreaking

Like i said, What type of food did you eat? Lets get down to specifics here..you're a personal trainer, you need to answer the question.

I don't NEED to do anything. Answer your stats and education level Cory, it's only been asked a few times


Read a book called the empty harvest, there is an E-book of it on google.

No thanks, in red again

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Honestly Vedic, is any of this productive? Yes, it's a debate between the two of you,and you guys will never see eye to eye. Both of you sent me PMs complaining of spam in each others inbox from the other. If you each ignore one another, this problem would be solved.

Honestly, as I said we are having a discussion, and we continue to let peons start new threads and repeat shit over and over, yet we can't have a discussion? I never sent him a PM, I replied. That simple. I don't need to spam a damn hipppie. hell have I ever spammed someone here? I even have a site yto do it for. But fuck man, if we can't talk here, except for the same pointless shit posted over and over and over and over about creatine, and fish oil etc, I will continue to post elsewhere, and not here.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Oh god, this is going no where fast. I seriously don't buy that this guy was a vegan at all.

What he failed to do is probably get enough vitamin b12 in his system If indeed he actually had that sort of diet Which i seriously doubt by the way..Because he never even talked about any type of food like this before and is just saying it now.

Now vedic is just Making things up in order to get other people to believe him, If his theories are wrong he gets no customers right?

Im slowly starting to get you vedic. I'm also ignoring you too.

I guess Vedic is just the exception of every single other person that has adopted this diet, ,Vedic wasn't getting enough energy from this diet..but nobody else had the same problem. I think he's just making this shit up now, seriously.

I'm done with it dude, I swear arguing with you is like arguing with a little kid.

Mike, I'm ignoring him..Get him to ignore me too, Problem solved.