[Vice]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Is that every salad? That is my point, you need to say what each one is, or else we have no way of telling your micronutrient consumption for the day.

We all like meat, Cory is a exception.

Lots of things can be prepared easily.

Yeah pretty much. I probably eat that 5-6 times a week. Sometimes I eat a big one like that just for dinner. I throw in other stuff too occaisionally.

I'm thinking i could eat a few cans of beans a day, mixed with some vegetables and a little cheese for meals.

I eat smaller meals (snacks) throghouht the day. I go through about 2 cups of mixed grains, a banana, and some type of sports/protein bar at the office about every day.

I'm thinking of swiching the grains out with more beans and nuts.

I switch out eggs with fruit bar (organic of course) in the morning during the week too. No strategy, just whichever is more convenient.

[Tamil]

Originally Posted by Vice

Organic baby greens and reds, Radicchio, spinach, mushrooms, carrots, onion and BROCCOLI. balsamic vinegar dressing. A little parmesean. Mostly. I do multi-vitamins too.

I don't have anything against meat. In fact I grill salmon, chicken, steak and lean ground beef all the time. The problem is I just don't have time for all that anymore. I need something simple, cheap and effective while I balance working overtime, training, and finishing an MBA.

I'll probably eat meat on the weekends, but I don't get home from the office/training until after 9pm 5 days a week. I need something that I can easily transport to work, and prepare quickly in the evening.

Thanks for the info Pilfold.

No grill? I had the same problem with timing as well and went vegetarian for a bit, until I bought a Foreman. 5-10 minutes to just throw something on the grill, pack and go in the morning. I set my wake-up time a bit earlier, make enough for the entire day, and cook dinner as soon as I get home, another 5-10 minutes. Not trying to dissuade you from a vegetarian lifestyle, it was a lot easier on my stomach, but...not enough calories for me with all that I was doing, and I kept undershooting on complete nutrients. Ironically it's easier for me to keep a meat-eating lifestyle than vegetarian, lol. Not to mention less expensive, depending on the type of meat (compared to, say, tofu and other more expensive alternatives).

Also, I believe you should be aiming for 5-6 servings of veggies a day, not a week. What is your daily caloric goal, out of curiosity?

If you decide to go through with this diet, let us know how you do a month or two from now, whether you had to do alterations to the diet, notice changes in training, etc.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Tamil

No grill? I had the same problem with timing as well and went vegetarian for a bit, until I bought a Foreman. 5-10 minutes to just throw something on the grill, pack and go in the morning. I set my wake-up time a bit earlier, make enough for the entire day, and cook dinner as soon as I get home, another 5-10 minutes. Not trying to dissuade you from a vegetarian lifestyle, it was a lot easier on my stomach, but...not enough calories for me with all that I was doing, and I kept undershooting on complete nutrients. Ironically it's easier for me to keep a meat-eating lifestyle than vegetarian, lol. Not to mention less expensive, depending on the type of meat (compared to, say, tofu and other more expensive alternatives).

Also, I believe you should be aiming for 5-6 servings of veggies a day, not a week. What is your daily caloric goal, out of curiosity?

If you decide to go through with this diet, let us know how you do a month or two from now, whether you had to do alterations to the diet, notice changes in training, etc.

Same here..It's a lot easier to keep a meat eating lifestyle. It's a very tough transition, especially if you have been eating meat your whole life. There comes a time though, And also from my experience..I have actually saved quite a bit of money off buying only naturally grown products. I guess it depends where you buy it from, supermarket prices are Insane after all..

If you want cheap vegetables, fruit and other natural products, try the farms. That's where I get most of mine when the season starts.

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

Ironically you attack my reading comprehension and yet you fail to read that I've grown up my entire life eating meat. It's only the last two weeks that i have stopped, and I haven't felt better than now in my entire life.



I didn't fail to read anything. Again you ASSUMED



Just out of curiosity, Do your vegan clients eat a diet of Organic non gmo produce? Fruits / vegetables / legumes/ dry leafy greens / nuts / seeds / and other natural products? As well as have some form of vitamin b12 in their diet from nutritional yeast or supplements? I'm not telling you what I'm saying is more credible than university studies, In fact..there is many university studies that are based off what I'm saying and the significant changes that are seen in a diet switched from animal based products.


Again, you don't know what I recommend or what they eat, and yet again you assume. What do you think Cory?


Also, saying that I need work out stats..is a pretty ignorant comment, It's like saying you need to bench a certain amount in order to be healthy. My work outs are not based heavily off weights, more around unique styled workouts..like ones shown on RossTraining - Bridging The Gap Between Ordinary and Extraordinary. Work outs like this, are how we avoid the peaking affect.


Not ignorant. it's like someone saying they aren't a beginner when they bench 135. Until you reach a upper echelon of performance your opinion of what works for a performance based diet is one of guessing. that is my point, that you have still yet to fail to see,.





By the way, I'm 6'3, 218 pounds and I have a body fat of around 10-12% However..I have been losing weight since about 2 weeks ago, when i weighed in at around 222.

That tells me nothing about performance.




Just wondering, how exactly am i making it sound? I'm an ass clown for saying that you need these specific things in a vegan diet to maintain adequate nutrition / protein / health? Seriously, and you tell me that I argue for the sake of arguing?


Never said you couldn't do it. I said why do it, can you prove it works for high performance. This is a performance board, not a what's right and wrong board.




I'm saying that in a proper vegan diet, you need a healthy intake of organic / non gmo natural products. Including fruits / vegetables / legumes / dark greens / nuts / soy / and vitamin b12. How exactly is that not correct?


Never said it wasn't. You again failed to read that part




Seriously dude..you need to rely less on studies, and more on your own and other peoples personal experience. That is science in itself. Almost all the vegan people who i am familiar with right now, explained to me how significant a change they have went through..by switching to a purely natural and organic based diet.


You are telling me this when I have been using real world experiance in training people for over 12 years. I COMBINE it with science. Without science, well you have hippies. You will hear what you want to hear. Again you tell me not to use studies Doctors you listen to use them, teachers use them, scientists use them. SO I shouldn't? What is your education level Cory?



Scientifically explain to me how I have had such an increased boost in energy and lost 4 pounds since I switched to this diet 2 weeks ago.


Placebo, same could be said of coffee, soda, liquor etc.



I was completely as skeptical as you are of this diet as well, before I experienced the drastic changes and effects for myself..If you truly want to prove a point to me, you will have to adopt this type of diet..and at least prove that what I'm saying is not true. Until then, you don't have much of anything..



I have a big client base. Olympic athletes, and MMA fighters as clients and people that use my knowledge.. Where is your sources of infofrom other than the net and heresay
? my proof is training elite level athletes and working out with them every day.

Your stats will only get you so far, when you have never experienced this diet..I am skeptical of if you even have vegan clients who share this same diet, Of course you will tell us all that you do.


Ya they got me to a Olympic tryout. God that sucks. I work in a climbing gym. More vegetarians and vegans than any other sport. You know my signature, Yup that gym. Now as I said for the love of god, think before you speak.



In reality, if you did..you would see exactly where I'm coming from, You would see exactly where noise is coming from..and you would see exactly where most extremely healthy vegans are coming from.



I have before, and it didn't work for my level of fitness, its' that simple.




It's the clearest form of science and study, and you should possibly look up studies revolving around significant changes of altering your diet towards only plant based foods. There is a lot of science and university studies as well, backing up what I'm saying..Not only that I'm feeling great after two weeks of switching to this diet. Or the fact that all the very healthy vegans I know have went through some significant changes in immune system strength, overall energy, and health.

Great and you can't show me blood lipid profiles from these friends of yours so that means nothing. You read the studies you want to read, and believe them. I read them all and let the gym be the other half of how I figure it out.




You don't have to believe it vedic..That's not what I'm asking of you. But at the very least, what you can do to prove your point is to be more open minded about this..Remember, I was the exact same way as you before I switched to this lifestyle.

God you are dumb. Did you not read where I said I was vegan for almost two years? my performance dipped, and well now that I am back to my other way of eating etc, low and behold



You still cant help but mention that I know nothing in this field, when in reality..I have seen the studies, i have seen the changes in myself with my own eyes..and I have seen the changes in other people with my own eyes, Science isn't going to prove what I've seen with my eyes wrong, No matter where the study comes from.

God can you asnwer once without re-writing the entire damn thing? Great, you don't listen to teachers etc. Shit is in red, AGAIN

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

God can you asnwer once without re-writing the entire damn thing? Great, you don't listen to teachers etc. Shit is in red, AGAIN

Would you mind enlightening us as to what your diet consisted of? And by enlightening us, I mean enlightening those that are very healthy vegans. Why hasn't my performance gone down since I've been eating this diet, and has only gone up? Can you explain this?

The only way i could see your performance going down in that situation is if your diet wasn't properly balanced. It's quite common.

By the way, I'm not saying that when you eat meat..you Can't live a healthy lifestyle. I did in fact for years, have a healthy life while eating meat. However, that doesn't mean that disease has not been prevented by a switch into diet of purely plant based foods. The kind of diet that i mentioned of veg / fruits / nuts / soy / legumes / b12 etc, Is actually proven to lower cholesterol drastically. High cholesterol being #1 or #2 cause of disease in america today, Does this not prove that It can prevent disease?

I'm not saying Im right your wrong, But please elaborate On your reasoning for this Mr personal trainer.

[Vedic]

What mine consisted of? Good lord man, think about it.

because you are two weeks in, not six weeks in. Most see a decline in perofrmance in diet changes weeks 3-5 if you don't cool. But like i said, what level of performance are you at?

It's not the only way, as I said, what level of training are you at or have you attained?

[Chad Hamilton]

To the thread starter-

Search for kicharee, here or google. I think the first or second page of the recipe thread should state a recipe or link to a recipe.

Now, I feel like I must mention (in order not to get in the mix of the argument between CP and Big V) that I am merely extending to you a rice and bean recipe that I have found beneficial during tight times, and also beneficial during cleanses or when my pooper isn't working right.

So, with that said, I hope you find it helpful.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

What mine consisted of? Good lord man, think about it.

because you are two weeks in, not six weeks in. Most see a decline in perofrmance in diet changes weeks 3-5 if you don't cool. But like i said, what level of performance are you at?

It's not the only way, as I said, what level of training are you at or have you attained?

I asked you a question and you didn't answer me.

Were you eating organic / non genetically modified or super market?

Were you having a diet that consisted of ORGANIC NON GMO produce / nuts / legumes / nutritional yeast for vitamin b12?

Answer the questions, Don't ignore them. What did you eat? let's get down to specifics here, so people that actually understand where I'm coming from can break it down as to why you were so depleted. You can't just say "what do you think?" What kind of argument is that if you're trying to prove a point.

Go on.

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

Would you mind enlightening us as to what your diet consisted of? And by enlightening us, I mean enlightening those that are very healthy vegans. Why hasn't my performance gone down since I've been eating this diet, and has only gone up? Can you explain this?

The only way i could see your performance going down in that situation is if your diet wasn't properly balanced. It's quite common.

By the way, I'm not saying that when you eat meat..you Can't live a healthy lifestyle. I did in fact for years, have a healthy life while eating meat. However, that doesn't mean that disease has not been prevented by a switch into diet of purely plant based foods. The kind of diet that i mentioned of veg / fruits / nuts / soy / legumes / b12 etc, Is actually proven to lower cholesterol drastically. High cholesterol being #1 or #2 cause of disease in america today, Does this not prove that It can prevent disease?

I'm not saying Im right your wrong, But please elaborate On your reasoning for this Mr personal trainer.

Jesus how do you want me to answer when you re word every fucking post you make? This is the last one I go back to correct when I already responded once.

Because you have been on it two weeks, I already explained that. Again what level of athlete are you?

That is why you don't train people

No it doesn't and I posted a direct study and profile to show that meat has made some profiles improve, again reading what you want to read.

I have, as I said I am talking from a performance perspective. When you can work out at the same level as me and stay vegan come chat with me.

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

I asked you a question and you didn't answer me.

Were you eating organic / non genetically modified or super market?

Were you having a diet that consisted of ORGANIC NON GMO produce / nuts / legumes / nutritional yeast for vitamin b12?

Answer the questions, Don't ignore them. What did you eat? let's get down to specifics here, so people that actually understand where I'm coming from can break it down as to why you were so depleted. You can't just say "what do you think?" What kind of argument is that if you're trying to prove a point.

Go on.

I did answer. I said WHAT DO YOU FUCKING THINK? I don't have to specify shit to someone that A. Can't tell his age B. Can't say his education level c. Won't post stats that shows performance level D. Doesn't train athletes let alone tier 1 athletes E. Hasn't accomplished shit as a athlete. Clear that BS up, and maybe I will specify, but dear god man it varied by seasons etc, due to fruit etc. I would think you of all people would know that. I married a vegan lol. I know exactly what it means. The reason I was depleted was simple. Olympic level training with a non compliant diet.