[Vedic]

Look here Cory. Did you see what he put? Rice and beans with salalds. great, now go into more detail.

How is he going to be sure of a complete amino intake? Carbs? A spectrum of them. Veggies and fruits, a rainbow of them is how I like to say it.

he has none of that.. 2 weeks isn't shit to judge a diet on. Zone people that switch generally see performance etc declines or inclines in the 3-4 week range, that is the amount of time it takes for any diet to take effect.

Again Cory, you don't know how I eat, or me personally. did you see my olympic tryout? Did you see which pros I train? Quit talking out of your ass.

I bench 420 I DL 600 I weigh 188. I have been training people for 12 years, and am one semester from my degree. Now where is your knowledge from? By all means lets see your stats, and which natianlly recognized training center you work at. I will be waiting for stats and experiance.


Yes it will be severely lacking in performance how he has it written out. That is a fact
bubba.



Not to mention you need to up your veggies to at least 5-6 servings a day. Where are your olives, almonds, walnuts, etc?

[Cory_Pilfold]

well he actually said salad / and organic vegetables / beans and rice.

You can get the 9 essential amino acids from a natural based diet of vegetables / fruits / grains / legumes / dark leafy greens / and nuts. They don't only come from meat.

So yes, if his diet is balanced of these thing's that i suggested..he can maintain adequate nutrition and essential amino acids. You make it seem like you need meat or you can't live or something.

I am not only living right now, I feel better than I have in my entire life.


You're experience credentials don't really mean much when you don't even know that you can get all 9 essential amino acids from a balanced diet of veg / fruits / grains / legumes / dark leafy greens / and nuts.

Also..It's not true that a diet change can take that much time to sink in. After only a phew days of not eating any sort of meat product, and trying out the diet that I mentioned to you..I seen a big increase in energy.

I think it might be that any of your clients have never gave up meat completely for a diet like this, and therefore couldn't see such dramatic results. Like..even go listen to what noise said..He is living proof that what I am claiming is fact. You don't have the studies to prove me wrong.

Real People that have seen these significant changes from a diet of purely plant based foods are more credible than sources from a university. For one, One of your studies that you were trying to prove to me..was about vegetarians in china being more obese, when in reality..the only people that the studies were conducted on, were obese people. They didn't do any studies on the people who were healthy, and had this life style. When in fact there was just as many or more of them, than the obese ones.

The fact is that you don't have to have a load of experience to understand adequate nutrition, I Know a lot of vegans that follow these daily requirements..and they have told me the significant changes they felt just days after making the switch to pure plant based diets. I myself am experiencing this right now, You don't have any science to prove what I'm feeling right now..and the drastic change that has happened over the past 2 weeks.

[Vedic]

Ya, salad. Did he say which types are in it? What veggies? What fruit? What nuts?

Didn't mention that, so what is your point. However his diet is not even close to complete.

I never implied that in this thread. Fuck how old are you? Your comprehension yet again is lacking.

Again, waiting to hear your stats or qualifications, other than you have felt great for two weeks.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Ya, salad. Did he say which types are in it? What veggies? What fruit? What nuts?

Didn't mention that, so what is your point. However his diet is not even close to complete.

I never implied that in this thread. Fuck how old are you? Your comprehension yet again is lacking.

Again, waiting to hear your stats or qualifications, other than you have felt great for two weeks.

Again you want to resort to stats and qualifications, ignoring my point completely..The fact is that there are many many many healthy vegans that have explained how significant a difference they felt just days after they made the switch to a purely plant based diet. Noise is one of those people, and just talking to him for a phew minutes will help you understand that he is not unhealthy..and in fact, he's one of the most healthy people you could meet..

This is exactly the same scenario with most vegans that I know, who possess the same attributes. This is exactly what I'm feeling right now after only two weeks. Why do you think i've been saying all this stuff in the first place?

I understand that his diet would have been incomplete if he only ate those foods..Which is why I wrote out a list of what he needs for adequate nutrition / amino acids / vitamin b12. Hypocrisy at it's finest..You say I have no reading comprehension.

What you need to do..instead of arguing, is with all your experience and stats..you need to switch to this diet of vegetables / fruits / grains / legumes / leafy greens / nuts / vitamin b12 supplements. Then after two to three weeks, you come back here and tell us how you feel in comparison to your previous diet, Only then will you have an opinion on this issue..Until then, your studies and research don't prove much..and it definitely doesn't prove how me, and various other people have noticed a drastic change right away when switching to a purely natural / organic diet like this.

I encourage the TS to come back to this forum after a phew weeks of the diet that i suggested and explain to vedic exactly how big of a difference it makes.

[ozzie]

Cory are you missing an essential amino acid or something? Is that why you are so argumentative and childish?

[Vedic]

Fact 1. You're experience credentials don't really mean much when you don't even know that you can get all 9 essential amino acids from a balanced diet of veg / fruits / grains / legumes / dark leafy greens / and nuts. Really? I didn't know that? Prolly because I never said that.


Fact 2.Also..It's not true that a diet change can take that much time to sink in. After only a phew days of not eating any sort of meat product, and trying out the diet that I mentioned to you..I seen a big increase in energy. That is true as it is taught by every well known nutritionist including Campbell, Turley, Cordain, Thompson, and others

Fact 3.I think it might be that any of your clients have never gave up meat completely for a diet like this, and therefore couldn't see such dramatic results. Like..even go listen to what noise said..He is living proof that what I am claiming is fact. You don't have the studies to prove me wrong. Really, now youknow my clients? Did you know that 5 of them are vegan? Assuming and making a ass of yourself is working well. I posted over 12 studies done byCordain andWolfe, you didn't botherto read them. Big differance.

Fact 4.Real People that have seen these significant changes from a diet of purely plant based foods are more credible than sources from a university. For one, One of your studies that you were trying to prove to me..was about vegetarians in china being more obese, when in reality..the only people that the studies were conducted on, were obese people. They didn't do any studies on the people who were healthy, and had this life style. When in fact there was just as many or more of them, than the obese ones.


More credible than a university? Hahaha ok Cory, again what is your education level? Do you know how many studies are conducted on healthy people. Do you know anything at all in that realm? Nope

Fact 5. You still have yet to show us your education level. Or your workout stats. Frankly without those,you a 400 pound vegan who can't walk up the stairs without getting tired. Now workout stats, and education


to the ts, it can be done as a vegetarian or a carnivore,but not as simply as this ass clown makes it sound

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by ozzie

Cory are you missing an essential amino acid or something? Is that why you are so argumentative and childish?

no, and I am argumentative with vedic because He is constantly trying to come at me and prove me wrong on everything. This is the only way I can get my point across to him, I apologize if I have been childish and argumentative ozzie.

[Vice]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

well he actually said salad / and organic vegetables / beans and rice.

You can get the 9 essential amino acids from a natural based diet of vegetables / fruits / grains / legumes / dark leafy greens / and nuts. They don't only come from meat.

So yes, if his diet is balanced of these thing's that i suggested..he can maintain adequate nutrition and essential amino acids. You make it seem like you need meat or you can't live or something.

I am not only living right now, I feel better than I have in my entire life.


You're experience credentials don't really mean much when you don't even know that you can get all 9 essential amino acids from a balanced diet of veg / fruits / grains / legumes / dark leafy greens / and nuts.

Also..It's not true that a diet change can take that much time to sink in. After only a phew days of not eating any sort of meat product, and trying out the diet that I mentioned to you..I seen a big increase in energy.

I think it might be that any of your clients have never gave up meat completely for a diet like this, and therefore couldn't see such dramatic results. Like..even go listen to what noise said..He is living proof that what I am claiming is fact. You don't have the studies to prove me wrong.

Real People that have seen these significant changes from a diet of purely plant based foods are more credible than sources from a university. For one, One of your studies that you were trying to prove to me..was about vegetarians in china being more obese, when in reality..the only people that the studies were conducted on, were obese people. They didn't do any studies on the people who were healthy, and had this life style. When in fact there was just as many or more of them, than the obese ones.

The fact is that you don't have to have a load of experience to understand adequate nutrition, I Know a lot of vegans that follow these daily requirements..and they have told me the significant changes they felt just days after making the switch to pure plant based diets. I myself am experiencing this right now, You don't have any science to prove what I'm feeling right now..and the drastic change that has happened over the past 2 weeks.

Organic baby greens and reds, Radicchio, spinach, mushrooms, carrots, onion and BROCCOLI. balsamic vinegar dressing. A little parmesean. Mostly. I do multi-vitamins too.

I don't have anything against meat. In fact I grill salmon, chicken, steak and lean ground beef all the time. The problem is I just don't have time for all that anymore. I need something simple, cheap and effective while I balance working overtime, training, and finishing an MBA.

I'll probably eat meat on the weekends, but I don't get home from the office/training until after 9pm 5 days a week. I need something that I can easily transport to work, and prepare quickly in the evening.

Thanks for the info Pilfold.

[Vedic]

Is that every salad? That is my point, you need to say what each one is, or else we have no way of telling your micronutrient consumption for the day.

We all like meat, Cory is a exception.

Lots of things can be prepared easily.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Is that every salad? That is my point, you need to say what each one is, or else we have no way of telling your micronutrient consumption for the day.

We all like meat, Cory is a exception.

Lots of things can be prepared easily.

Ironically you attack my reading comprehension and yet you fail to read that I've grown up my entire life eating meat. It's only the last two weeks that i have stopped, and I haven't felt better than now in my entire life.

Originally Posted by Vedic

Fact 1. You're experience credentials don't really mean much when you don't even know that you can get all 9 essential amino acids from a balanced diet of veg / fruits / grains / legumes / dark leafy greens / and nuts. Really? I didn't know that? Prolly because I never said that.


Fact 2.Also..It's not true that a diet change can take that much time to sink in. After only a phew days of not eating any sort of meat product, and trying out the diet that I mentioned to you..I seen a big increase in energy. That is true as it is taught by every well known nutritionist including Campbell, Turley, Cordain, Thompson, and others

Fact 3.I think it might be that any of your clients have never gave up meat completely for a diet like this, and therefore couldn't see such dramatic results. Like..even go listen to what noise said..He is living proof that what I am claiming is fact. You don't have the studies to prove me wrong. Really, now youknow my clients? Did you know that 5 of them are vegan? Assuming and making a ass of yourself is working well. I posted over 12 studies done byCordain andWolfe, you didn't botherto read them. Big differance.

Fact 4.Real People that have seen these significant changes from a diet of purely plant based foods are more credible than sources from a university. For one, One of your studies that you were trying to prove to me..was about vegetarians in china being more obese, when in reality..the only people that the studies were conducted on, were obese people. They didn't do any studies on the people who were healthy, and had this life style. When in fact there was just as many or more of them, than the obese ones.


More credible than a university? Hahaha ok Cory, again what is your education level? Do you know how many studies are conducted on healthy people. Do you know anything at all in that realm? Nope

Fact 5. You still have yet to show us your education level. Or your workout stats. Frankly without those,you a 400 pound vegan who can't walk up the stairs without getting tired. Now workout stats, and education


to the ts, it can be done as a vegetarian or a carnivore,but not as simply as this ass clown makes it sound

Just out of curiosity, Do your vegan clients eat a diet of Organic non gmo produce? Fruits / vegetables / legumes/ dry leafy greens / nuts / seeds / and other natural products? As well as have some form of vitamin b12 in their diet from nutritional yeast or supplements? I'm not telling you what I'm saying is more credible than university studies, In fact..there is many university studies that are based off what I'm saying and the significant changes that are seen in a diet switched from animal based products.

Also, saying that I need work out stats..is a pretty ignorant comment, It's like saying you need to bench a certain amount in order to be healthy. My work outs are not based heavily off weights, more around unique styled workouts..like ones shown on RossTraining - Bridging The Gap Between Ordinary and Extraordinary. Work outs like this, are how we avoid the peaking affect.

By the way, I'm 6'3, 218 pounds and I have a body fat of around 10-12% However..I have been losing weight since about 2 weeks ago, when i weighed in at around 222.

Just wondering, how exactly am i making it sound? I'm an ass clown for saying that you need these specific things in a vegan diet to maintain adequate nutrition / protein / health? Seriously, and you tell me that I argue for the sake of arguing?

I'm saying that in a proper vegan diet, you need a healthy intake of organic / non gmo natural products. Including fruits / vegetables / legumes / dark greens / nuts / soy / and vitamin b12. How exactly is that not correct?

Seriously dude..you need to rely less on studies, and more on your own and other peoples personal experience. That is science in itself. Almost all the vegan people who i am familiar with right now, explained to me how significant a change they have went through..by switching to a purely natural and organic based diet.

Scientifically explain to me how I have had such an increased boost in energy and lost 4 pounds since I switched to this diet 2 weeks ago.

I was completely as skeptical as you are of this diet as well, before I experienced the drastic changes and effects for myself..If you truly want to prove a point to me, you will have to adopt this type of diet..and at least prove that what I'm saying is not true. Until then, you don't have much of anything..

Your stats will only get you so far, when you have never experienced this diet..I am skeptical of if you even have vegan clients who share this same diet, Of course you will tell us all that you do.

In reality, if you did..you would see exactly where I'm coming from, You would see exactly where noise is coming from..and you would see exactly where most extremely healthy vegans are coming from.

It's the clearest form of science and study, and you should possibly look up studies revolving around significant changes of altering your diet towards only plant based foods. There is a lot of science and university studies as well, backing up what I'm saying..Not only that I'm feeling great after two weeks of switching to this diet. Or the fact that all the very healthy vegans I know have went through some significant changes in immune system strength, overall energy, and health.

You don't have to believe it vedic..That's not what I'm asking of you. But at the very least, what you can do to prove your point is to be more open minded about this..Remember, I was the exact same way as you before I switched to this lifestyle.

You still cant help but mention that I know nothing in this field, when in reality..I have seen the studies, i have seen the changes in myself with my own eyes..and I have seen the changes in other people with my own eyes, Science isn't going to prove what I've seen with my eyes wrong, No matter where the study comes from.