[Boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by Tom_4

Nitric oxide and Tribulus terrestris are in the 1st category too IMO

I like Nitric Oxide, but I don't know about putting it in the top category.

[King Kabuki]

I actually disagree with most of that list.

CLA - Have clients who have used it successfully, moreso than those who legitimately tried it and reported it did not work (when I say legitimately I mean with proper eating and exercise, not just taking the pill and expecting magic to happen).

Pyruvate - I read an article where a PHD recommends it for purposes of fat mobilization (similar to Carnitine), and the studies I've read that claim to disclaim it seem largely alarmist in nature.

5-HTP (Tryptophan) - Works as a relaxant, one of our best-selling products for anti-stress.

And how are Amino Acids listed in the potentially harmful category when there are amino acids suggested above in the higher categories. BCAA's, Glutamine, Carnitine, come now. Which aminos are going to kill me, Arginine? Lysine? Tyrosine (which will actually enhance the affects of a fat-burner)?

DHEA - I take it, I'm alive and healthy and can pass a steroid test.

Bee Pollen - How in the Hell is that potentially harmful? Another one of our best-sellers either by itself or with Ginseng, and Royal Jelly. I think Caffeine is more harmful tentatively to those with pre-existing blood-pressure problems and/or heart-conditions than Bee Pollen could be.

[Timbaland]

Weight gainers don't belong in the definitely useful category. Most of them are empty carbs. There are make your own weight gainer recipes out there. Most of them consist of oatmeal, protein powder, natural peanut butter, and milk. Thats a lot better than the crap you buy in stores.

Like King Kabuki said CLA (and the other EFAs for that matter) are beneficial. Recommended dosage of CLA is 3.4 grams a day. They can lower your body fat with a proper diet and exercise plan.

Glutamine is very useful on a cutting diet.

BCAAs are good. I believe your body absorbs it faster than protein. I don't really take it though as I use protein powder. I assume it would be good to take with meals and maybe pre-workout. Dessicated liver tabs are a good and cheap source of amino acids. If you have high cholesterol, you may not want to take them though.

[Tom_4]

Originally Posted by Boondocksaint

I like Nitric Oxide, but I don't know about putting it in the top category.

I use it in a supplement that combines it with a creatine complex and glutamine and it works miracles compared to just creatine. And creatine is in the first category.
What's your take on tribulus?

[Boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by Tom_4

I use it in a supplement that combines it with a creatine complex and glutamine and it works miracles compared to just creatine. And creatine is in the first category.
What's your take on tribulus?

I've always stacked it with creatine as well. I'm actually a glutamine responder, I used to take it before bed and found that it reduced soreness, but because of its cost, I no longer use it. That being said, glutamine does not work on everyone, and doesn't belong on the same list as creatine. Though a creatine, NO2, glutamine is an excellent (and expensive!) stack.

i've looked into Tribulus, but have never used it personally.

[Tom_4]

Originally Posted by Boondocksaint

I've always stacked it with creatine as well. I'm actually a glutamine responder, I used to take it before bed and found that it reduced soreness, but because of its cost, I no longer use it. That being said, glutamine does not work on everyone, and doesn't belong on the same list as creatine. Though a creatine, NO2, glutamine is an excellent (and expensive!) stack.

i've looked into Tribulus, but have never used it personally.

I'm not sure, but if you can find reflex products in the US you can give it a shot. I consider it the most effective supplement out there, performance and cost-wise.

That's the link:
http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/spor...cument_4_4.php
It says something about retailers on the bottom right of the page.

[Boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by Tom_4

I'm not sure, but if you can find reflex products in the US you can give it a shot. I consider it the most effective supplement out there, performance and cost-wise.

That's the link:
http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/spor...cument_4_4.php
It says something about retailers on the bottom right of the page.

hmmm...couldn't find the relfex brand, but I found some tribulus products for pretty cheap...I'll look into it. Maybe I'll try some on my next order.

I imagine that reflex brand isn't cheap. I have a gut feeling I could make my own stack for much cheaper...but I could be wrong

[Tom_4]

Originally Posted by Boondocksaint

hmmm...couldn't find the relfex brand, but I found some tribulus products for pretty cheap...I'll look into it. Maybe I'll try some on my next order.

I imagine that reflex brand isn't cheap. I have a gut feeling I could make my own stack for much cheaper...but I could be wrong

Reflex is a british company, so you'll probably have trouble finding it overseas. Its prices are about the same as ON's (at least in the UK).
The Tri-Matrix costs 39 pounds (UK internet retailer-should be about $60).Each serving has 5g of creatine(not Monohydrate-the good stuff), 5g of NO and 3g of glutamine plus 500mg Taurine and some more stuff. One container has 50 servings, good for 50 days. I couldn't beat it, but you can always try for yourself...

[Gwillimall]

Originally Posted by Boondocksaint

I've always stacked it with creatine as well. I'm actually a glutamine responder, I used to take it before bed and found that it reduced soreness, but because of its cost, I no longer use it. That being said, glutamine does not work on everyone, and doesn't belong on the same list as creatine. Though a creatine, NO2, glutamine is an excellent (and expensive!) stack.

i've looked into Tribulus, but have never used it personally.

L-Glutamine 500 is $4.99 for 50 capsules at GNC

[Madmick]

TTT. Dragging this one up for more debate.