[blackbx]

I have not read his report but I do know that a lot of times we see weird stuff in vitro vs. in vivo studies. Part of the reason why experimental drugs do well in the lab but nothing in clinical testing....the body does weird stuff sometimes.

[King Kabuki]

I forgot all about this thread, so I'll update it by weeks. This is the second week of using No-Xplode and I notice three things. One is an increase in vascularity, so it's doing what it's supposed to where the vasodilation is concerned. Second is my muscles seem harder throughout the day, which more bloodflow allows for that to make sense.

Third is an increase in overall performance. I know myself and can tell if it's placebo effect. I don't think it's that. My routine hasn't changed that much (my workout log is in the training section), but my times are better and I have more endurance, which is the most important thing to me.

[King Kabuki]

Check you bottle Kabuki. I remember NO-Xplode containing the disclaimer that "These claims are not evaluated by the FDA..."

I know they changed the laws a bit recently on herbs, but I think that was only for safety disclaimers (to avoid future fiascos like the ephedra ban that resulted because of stupid, stupid fucking people). I still see all sorts of claims on the herbs that have been proven not to work.

Terumo's post was concrete on a biochemical level. I'm putting a lot of faith in someone who I don't actually know (it's not like I met him at the NYU Chemistry Department), but until I see something that addresses his very simple and very specific argument, I will continue to advise against NO.

We need to get him back. Dammit.

Shit I should have kept up with this thread, didn't even see yours and Rj's posts. I will look for info against Terumo's specific argument. But the one side-line factor Mick, is that Terumo's argument holds no water when it comes to results. How does this contention explain the fact (and it is a fact in my case), that vascularity IS increased when taking these particular supplements?

Oh and just because bottles have the FDA warning does not mean the FDA hasn't looked at them. What that usually refers to is that the FDA hasn't given written approval that their claims are true. Written. That's all. The FDA HARDLY ever gives this written approval for two main reasons, one is money of course. Second is because it would incite they'd have to either agree with Independant studies, or conduct their own. Which they're just not going to do.

Stimulants such as adrenaline (epi/norepi) are produced when you exercise and they effect different parts of the body differently. They vasoconstrict certain veins/arteries (such as digestive, in the brain [be brain gets vasoconstricted because the brain needs a constant blood flow and with increased heart rate you need to vasoconstrict to get the same amount of net blood flow]), and other vasodialate (such as the muscles in use).

So, what does all this crap mean? Caffeine does vasoconstrict certain artieries/veins, as in the brain and digestive tract (why you don't get hungry), but it VASODIALATES ateries to muscles similarly as epi/norepi.

So, caffeine should increase blood flow to muscles. I know saying one thing this guy has said is wrong doesn't take apart his whole argument; but IMO this isn't a complicated topic for someone who works with professional BB's. I get concered about the whole argument when someone uses info like this for a product. This and Tumero's statements make me concered about the efficacy of these products.

I don't want this to turn into an argument about Hany's credibility versus Terumo's because that's a highly irrelevant argument to make. However, I refer to the earlier statement I made about the numbers. I'm pretty sure (remember a lot of information recited even by Professionals is often edited, so I'm positive what I read was not the entire statements made by Hany), what he's specifically referring to is taking excess caffeine. Being that No-Xplode specifically contains methylxanthinines, which it would make no sense to contain of all sources of caffeine were specifically vaso-constrictive, I'm pretty positive he's referring to the excess use of high-caffeine Products in addition to that present in the Product formula. Then there's also this:

I may have mis-represented the information slightly because what he warns of where caffeine is concerned is taking it at the same time as taking Nitrous Boosters. I don't think he said don't use caffeine at all, which would be kind of crazy in today's world considering how much shit has it in it (including No-Xplode), he was specifically warning against ingesting them simoltaneously.

[Truculent]

I was on NO2 for 6months. It worked great and my strength was amazing. After I got off of it it completely killed my cardiovascular system. I had a hard time breathing when going up a flight of stairs. My cardio is still recovering

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Wow, This thread has been great. I just started working at GNC myself, and my interest in products such as No-Xplode has been getting bigger. I was actully thinking about trying some out myself, but I still dont know yet. Here go a few questions:

1) Whats a cheaper alternative to No-Xplode?

2) If L-Arginine is the answer, how many grams should I take in a day? (Right now I take the GNC L-Arginine 1000mg tablets, 3 times a day for 3,000mg of L-Arginine.)

3) I see that it increase vascularity, and King Kabuki also stated that it made his msucles harder throughout the day. I know Kabuki is also a boxer, if I am not mistaken, so my question for you Kabuki is, has the harder feel in your muscles, make you seem heavier while boxing? Has it taken away from your speed or anything like that?

4) You aslo stated it increased your overall performance. Do you mean just in the wieght room? Or as an athlete? I definalty am looking to increase my endurance, but not just in the wieght room, but also for grappling practice.

5) If I where to try No-Xplode, what kind of cycle would you suggest? How long should I stay on and off? (or should I just stick to whatever the canister says?)

6) Are there any other products you'd recommend taking with the No-Xplode? (Not looking to gain too much mass, so products like that arent needed. Just looking to increase strenth,endurance, and overall athletic performance.)

[King Kabuki]

1) Whats a cheaper alternative to No-Xplode?

Stick with the No-Xplode man. Right now as you should know it's on sale, plus you get your 30% employee discount. You CANNOT beat that. Plus if you work for a Franchise location, you can just wait for a return and get it for free typically. That's what I did.

2) If L-Arginine is the answer, how many grams should I take in a day? (Right now I take the GNC L-Arginine 1000mg tablets, 3 times a day for 3,000mg of L-Arginine.)

Arginine/Ornithine combos yields good results from everything I've seen. But the bottle as it is only lasts about two weeks. And to compare to the AAKG, my guess (because I cannot pinpoint precisely) would be you'd need about 5g per day of this to equate to the Nitrous Products that do well.

3) I see that it increase vascularity, and King Kabuki also stated that it made his msucles harder throughout the day. I know Kabuki is also a boxer, if I am not mistaken, so my question for you Kabuki is, has the harder feel in your muscles, make you seem heavier while boxing? Has it taken away from your speed or anything like that?

Nah not heavier. I have to cut weight to fight, so I'm actually dropping weight. I just feel harder, more solid. And with the lighter bodyweight my speed has improved.

4) You aslo stated it increased your overall performance. Do you mean just in the wieght room? Or as an athlete? I definalty am looking to increase my endurance, but not just in the wieght room, but also for grappling practice.

Overall. I just recovered from a pretty bad cold, and I thought I would be very weak coming back. But I wasn't, my routine improved and I don't wind as easy.

5) If I where to try No-Xplode, what kind of cycle would you suggest? How long should I stay on and off? (or should I just stick to whatever the canister says?)

For me personally I do two month versus one week cycles of all my supplements. Two months continuous use, one week off.

6) Are there any other products you'd recommend taking with the No-Xplode? (Not looking to gain too much mass, so products like that arent needed. Just looking to increase strenth,endurance, and overall athletic performance.)

As stated throughout the thread, Lysine, to keep your Nitrogen balanced properly. Aside from that just a normal supplement regime should suffice.

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Good looking out Kabuki, I just got me some Isopure for free! Some lady brought back 2 tubs of Isopure and a Designer Whey because she didn't like the way any of them tasted. I got the Alpine Punch flavor which isnt that bad....and it was free, so I wont complain.

[fat_wilhelm]

Originally Posted by King Kabuki

Right now as you should know it's on sale, plus you get your 30% employee discount. You CANNOT beat that. Plus if you work for a Franchise location, you can just wait for a return and get it for free typically. That's what I did.

If you can't work the "free" angle or when it's not on sale, you can get it online for $30.95 + $5.95 shipping for orders 10 lbs. or less. Sure beats the regular price of $63 at GNC.

Kabuki, nice update on your training since starting on the NO. It's helped convince me that I'm not crazy since your synopsis pretty much described what I feel I get out of the stuff, too.

[King Kabuki]

Kabuki, nice update on your training since starting on the NO. It's helped convince me that I'm not crazy since your synopsis pretty much described what I feel I get out of the stuff, too.

Some would say it's placebo-effect. But I always thought it pretty funny to debunk junk-science with voodoo.

Placebo-effect = mind over matter = you think and results happen = gungfudisciple was RIGHT. lol

[HE hate me]

Do you know anything about the nitrix brand of NO?Do you think it will add muscle mass.