[Vedic]

"There are some instances, however, where a food has a low glycemic value but a high insulin index value. This applies to dairy foods and to some highly palatable energy-dense "indulgence foods." Some foods (such as meat, fish, and eggs) that contain no carbohydrate, just protein and fat (and essentially have a GI value of zero), still stimulate significant rises in blood insulin."

The New Glucose Revolution (New York: Marlowe and Company, 2003, pages 57-58

[ChingChang]

casein is kind of expensive, but it's the type of protein you want before bed. I'd have at least half a scoop with some milk and some fat

Originally Posted by viel cazzo

Ok I was always told (Probably incorrectly) that cottage cheese is fatty. I see low fat Cottage cheese and I presume that is what most of you guys are eatting?

Also if I'm trying to loose weight it's still ok to eat that an hour before bed? I read the reciepe of Cottage ceehese and instand pudding mix (No fat no sugar kind) and I have heard it tastes great and calms the sweet tooth.

Any advice is appreciated.

nothing wrong with fat, as long as it's not trans fat. Fat is good at night to help your body stay in an anabolic state for longer.

[Vedic]

Huh? Fat helps your body stay in a anabolic state for a longer time? Proof?

[ChingChang]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Huh? Fat helps your body stay in a anabolic state for a longer time? Proof?

a meal with fat takes longer to digest/absorb than a similar meal without fat

[JinKazama]

casein protein

try the cottage cheese

[Vedic]

Originally Posted by ChingChang

a meal with fat takes longer to digest/absorb than a similar meal without fat

Ummm you are a little mixed up there man. In liquid form fat won't slow anything. In a whole food meal, it can slow it a little but not as much as you think.

[joshetc]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Ummm you are a little mixed up there man. In liquid form fat won't slow anything. In a whole food meal, it can slow it a little but not as much as you think.

He's not mixed up at all. Regardless of it being liquid or not. You take two of the exact same thing, then add fat to one. The one with fat is always going to digest slower than the one without.

Obviously completely different foods, one being a liquid and one being a solid, the liquid will digest faster. This is only due to much greater surface area of the liquid food.

[Vedic]

Yes, he is. Look its simple. The adding of EFA'a does not negate that statement because the contents are still in a liquified form and will not delay gastric emptying. Furthermore the absortion of aminos is done through the small intestine and the absortion of fats is taken up lymphatically unless they are MCT's (in which they act more as carbs) so the idea that the influx is delayed to a point that it actually effects digestion is highly overrated. Another message board myth that seems to be spreading....

If you want to argue semantics get your ducks in a row.

[likkuid]

Originally Posted by viel cazzo

Ok I was always told (Probably incorrectly) that cottage cheese is fatty. I see low fat Cottage cheese and I presume that is what most of you guys are eatting?

Also if I'm trying to loose weight it's still ok to eat that an hour before bed? I read the reciepe of Cottage ceehese and instand pudding mix (No fat no sugar kind) and I have heard it tastes great and calms the sweet tooth.

Any advice is appreciated.

There is low fat and even no-fat cottage cheese. I had it in my fridge yesterday until I threw it out (I'm done trying to like it - no matter what I mix it with it makes me gag).

Yes, it's still okay to eat before bed. It's only wrong to do so for the average person who's diet is very high in carbs/fat. As long as you're meeting your daily caloric goal, it's perfectly fine!

[joshetc]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Yes, he is. Look its simple. The adding of EFA'a does not negate that statement because the contents are still in a liquified form and will not delay gastric emptying. Furthermore the absortion of aminos is done through the small intestine and the absortion of fats is taken up lymphatically unless they are MCT's (in which they act more as carbs) so the idea that the influx is delayed to a point that it actually effects digestion is highly overrated. Another message board myth that seems to be spreading....

If you want to argue semantics get your ducks in a row.

I'm not saying how much of a difference it makes isn't overrated. It is undeniable that it makes a difference, though. It has more to do with our body's prioritization of macronutrient digestion. Proteins have to be broken down in the stomach before amino acids can be absorbed in the small intestine. If we were talking someone that is eating only isolated amino acids and adding fat to it, you would be completely correct.

When it comes to something like casein protein, the digestion time of added fats is a drop in the bucket. It is totally irrelevant to a nighttime protein shake, but I still don't think the guy was that far off. Some fats should be included in every meal, though, for reasons that have nothing to do with digestion.