[fat_wilhelm]

Bester --

Put your post in the thread it was originally meant for. I believe you have offered some good info towards that subject.

[pSyKOaLby]

Originally Posted by Bester

Still, despite all the banter back and forth about the mostly non-existent dangers of glycocyamine, Muscle Milk is still not a great MRP. The author is right about the fats, but he fails to mention the high GI carbs in the protein shake - made of maltodextrin, it will raise insulin levels which will in turn put the body in a prime state for fat storage. Still, MCTs aren't as bad as the author made it out to seem.

HOLY CRAP. Kabuki or Madmick, please put your input into this! I had no idea that Muscle Milk had high GI carbs. Won't that discredit the use of MM as a pre-bed shake? I didn't buy into the T-Nation article but this one certainly caught my eye.

[XTrainer]

Okay, before anyone else freaks out, I'm pretty sure the fat and protein lower the glycemic impact of MM considerably.

[Madmick]

Originally Posted by pSyKOaLby

HOLY CRAP. Kabuki or Madmick, please put your input into this! I had no idea that Muscle Milk had high GI carbs. Won't that discredit the use of MM as a pre-bed shake? I didn't buy into the T-Nation article but this one certainly caught my eye.

Yes, but the carbs are limited. You have to look at the load, not just the index.

The insulin response increases uptake of protein and the other macros, but unless the body has been taxed, that uptake is more likely to be converted into fat (as opposed to muscle) than it normally would. The author is correct, rice oligodextrin would probably be preferred (for any MRP, not just Muscle Milk), but one thing to keep in mind is that almost none of the MRP's out there have rice oligodextrin in them, especially those made by the major brands. Actually, one of the only ones that does is Biotest with its new ****bolic Drive Complete formula.

You could create your own mix. My "dream" MRP still doens't exist, but really, it's nitpicking. Maybe something like this:
30% Rice Oligodextrin
45% Milk Protein Isolate
25% MCT's

But the straight MCT powder from the custom sites costs like $18/lb, so this is too expensive to be practical.


P.S. That blog was top-notch, Bester. Obviously there's a battle ahead over glycocyamine, but for now, it's nice to see a cooler head prevailing.

[pSyKOaLby]

Originally Posted by Madmick

Yes, but the carbs are limited. You have to look at the load, not just the index.

The insulin response increases uptake of protein and the other macros, but unless the body has been taxed, that uptake is more likely to be converted into fat (as opposed to muscle) than it normally would. The author is correct, rice oligodextrin would probably be preferred (for any MRP, not just Muscle Milk), but one thing to keep in mind is that almost none of the MRP's out there have rice oligodextrin in them, especially those made by the major brands. Actually, one of the only ones that does is Biotest with its new ****bolic Drive Complete formula.

My pre-bed shake is usually one scoop of MM + half-tablespoon flaxseed oil + 8 oz soy milk. I know flaxseed oil keeps insulin levels low. Would that balance out the effects of the high GI carbs?

[Ian Coe]

what would happen if you used full fat milk instead of water or skimmed milk?


I'm not saying use a pint, but wouldn't the extra fat from the full fat help blunt any peaks from the high GI milk (but yes, more calories I know)

[XTrainer]

Muscle milk has loads of fat and protein in it already. I'm sure the GI impact is negligable as-is. I don't think adding a couple more grams of fat/carbs would help much.

[Paul721]

Thanks for the info.
I just ordered 1 x 2.48 lbs MM(strawberry) and 1 x ON Whey(Straw) from bodybuilding.com They shipped out less then 3 hours.
I was looking to buy Xyience XM2 to replace my morning meal but MM is almost identical to XM2 in ingredients so I just went ahead and bought MM.

[fat_wilhelm]

Originally Posted by Madmick

You could create your own mix. My "dream" MRP still doens't exist, but really, it's nitpicking. Maybe something like this:
30% Rice Oligodextrin
45% Milk Protein Isolate
25% MCT's

But the straight MCT powder from the custom sites costs like $18/lb, so this is too expensive to be practical.

Actually, it's not as bad as I would have thought. I did a trial customization w/ your exact spec's at Proteinfactory.com and it comes out to $8.30/lb. The absolute best prices for Muscle Milk are about $8.00-$8.25/lb.

Mick, why don't you start some other "custom formula" threads when you have some spare time so these types of things can be discussed further? I feel like break-down of formulas is an excellent way to understand how these things work.

[Madmick]

Originally Posted by pSyKOaLby

My pre-bed shake is usually one scoop of MM + half-tablespoon flaxseed oil + 8 oz soy milk. I know flaxseed oil keeps insulin levels low. Would that balance out the effects of the high GI carbs?

Some kind of fiber would help. Psyllium Husk is really cheap (****mucil is one form).