I need some help.

Buster · 04-22-2007, 02:46 PM

My sergeant had a little episode the other night while driving. He was completely coherant one minute then had some sort of black out and wrecked his patrol car. A deputy responded and he (my sergeant) had his head resting on the head rest, with his eyes rolling back (no injury from the accident). Then he "came to", and was really confused and delirious. From the time he blacked out until he became coherant again (inside the ambulance) was about 20-30 minutes. He absolutely does not recall anything during that 20-30 minutes even though he was "conscious" for at least half the time.

So once he became aware, he felt absolutely fine. He had every test known to man taken over the next 3 days, but they have found nothing wrong. No brain issues, no heart issues, nothing. He is 36 or 37, works out regularly and eats fairly healthy. He has been taking Cell-Tech for about 7 months a bit irregularly, but not overdoing it. He had also eaten calamari (squid) about 1 1/2 to 2 hours prior to the black out. That was the first time he has ever eaten calamari in his life. While it is more common to have allergies to shellfish from what I know, we wondered if he had some weird reaction to that. The doctors didn't bat an eye at the food thing, but they've erred before.

I'm just trying to see if anyone knows anything about squid or octopus or the Cell-Tech or anything that could shed some light on this.

flashNsmash · 04-22-2007, 03:56 PM

haha wow, that's strange, seems more neurological in nature than anything else

i'm assuming one of the tests given was the breathalyzer?

anaconda · 04-22-2007, 04:11 PM

My first guess would be a panic attack, similar thing happened to a guy i know.

bgrizzly98 · 04-27-2007, 02:07 PM

This also sounds like it could have been a seizure. I worked with a guy who had something like this happen and they couldn't find anything wrong with him either. granted he wasn't out (unconcious sp?) for as long as your seargeant. I highly doubt the Calamari had anything to do with it unless he is somehow alergic to it and doctors can't figure it out.

Sledge Hammer · 04-27-2007, 03:37 PM

Sounds exactly like a seizure. Sounds nothing like an allergic reaction. The doctors didn't conclude that he had a seizure?

TX911 · 04-27-2007, 03:44 PM

sound like he was post-ichtal in the ambulance so maybe some sort of seizure. hey, sometimes they just happen, there doesn't necessarily have to be any kind wierd etiology or deep dark problem. any combination of factors can contribute to them. Funny that you mention he was in his patrol car, i had a student riding with us for the first time and the led lights from the truck threw him into a seizure. he had a hx of them when he was a little kid but hadn't had a problem in 20 yrs. And the reason the docs didn't bat an eye to the calamari thing is because if he were truly allergic to them there probably would've been a number of other s/sx i.e. skin wheels, wheezing, facial swelling, very rarely do you just "black out" from an allergic reaction. Usually if your that bad to "black out" from an allergic reaction it means you're unconcious from the hypoxia or dead, and you def don't feel "just fine" after 20-30 minutes of an allergic reaction with no treatment

TX911 · 04-27-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledge Hammer

Sounds exactly like a seizure. Sounds nothing like an allergic reaction. The doctors didn't conclude that he had a seizure?

without noted neurological changes in a CT or a very very very rapid EEG analysis post seizure then it's not uncommon for them not to come out and say it was a "seizure." A CT scan won't necessarily show any neurological changes especially if there is no prior history or existing etiology. most of the time seizures are diagnosed based solely on signs and symptoms. Being that no one was with him and there were no other complaints aside from "blacking out", in the docs mind, who's to say he didn't just fall asleep? That's why alot of ER docs will simply chart the HX and s/sx and refer them to a specialist or simply have them follow up with their family physician.

Sledge Hammer · 04-27-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TX911

without noted neurological changes in a CT or a very very very rapid EEG analysis post seizure then it's not uncommon for them not to come out and say it was a "seizure." A CT scan won't necessarily show any neurological changes especially if there is no prior history or existing etiology. most of the time seizures are diagnosed based solely on signs and symptoms. Being that no one was with him and there were no other complaints aside from "blacking out", in the docs mind, who's to say he didn't just fall asleep? That's why alot of ER docs will simply chart the HX and s/sx and refer them to a specialist or simply have them follow up with their family physician.

Falling alseep and then not waking up for 30 minutes? All the while getting in a car accident and put in an ambulance? That is some deep sleep. I'm sure what you're saying about the scans is probably true, but i don't think a doctor should have to jump to the conclusion that he probably had a seizure. Just falling asleep seems much more farfetched, no?

TX911 · 04-27-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledge Hammer

Falling alseep and then not waking up for 30 minutes? All the while getting in a car accident and put in an ambulance? That is some deep sleep. I'm sure what you're saying about the scans is probably true, but i don't think a doctor should have to jump to the conclusion that he probably had a seizure. Just falling asleep seems much more farfetched, no?

I siad it's not uncommon for them NOT to just come out and say it was a seizure.
what i'm saying about the scans is true, and there's been a few car wrecks i've run on where the people have just fallen asleep at the wheel, run off the road,and don't wake up until i started putting a needle in their finger to check sugars. If there were no injuries at all then it's a good probability he wasn't moving all that fast. besides which i didn't say that's what happened, i said without a good history of the event why would the doc, an ER doc no less, make a decision and treat a problem without any kind of abnormal test results? And you're not "jumping to a conclusion" by stating that a person had a seizure based on signs and symptoms. a myriad of illnesses and injures are treated based solely on signs and symptoms. If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. The dr. doesn't have a time machine where he can go back and watch the event happen, all he has to go on is what the patient says and whats happening right now. And it sounds to me that the doc did the correct thing in NOT jumping to a conclusion and going ahead and running the tests, then probably referring him somewhere else. Sounds to me that he did everything but jump to a conclusion. LOL, and believe me, your idea of far fetched and someone who works in emergency medicines' idea of far fetched are two totally different things

Jubacat · 04-27-2007, 04:23 PM

That happens to me if my blood sugar goes too low.