Fat burner

[Action Jackson7]

Hello all

I am 6'3 about 225 and FAR from being in half decent shape I have hit the gym pretty hard the last few months I was at close to 250

Anyone have a fat burner they recommend , thanks a lot

[EndoGlo]

Broski, try the Jager Bomb solution. It will make you jakt and the bitches will want you. Grind on the bitches. Fuckin skanks. Jager bombs, I shower in that shit.

But first, you need a new hair cut.

[OneInchPunch]

Not really sure what you're asking for.

If you mean "fat burner" the way the term is commonly used...like some kind of powder or solution to ingest...well, there is no such thing.


Work your cardio my friend... work your cardio.

I know, I hate running too.

[Sinister]

"Fat burners" refer to thermogenic pills that advertise themselves as such. But they don't burn any fat. They're strictly for energy, CNS stimulation in most cases. From there it's a matter of knowing your tolerance for stimulants, and not expecting them to work the miracles they say on TV and in the magazines. They can give you good excitability to work out, nothing more.

[poser_pilot6]

Eat healthy. No soda, no fast food, no candy, lots of protein, lots of veggies and fruits. Moderate carbs.

High intensity interval workouts for your "cardio."

That's what works for me, anyway.

[honkeytonkheroe]

Originally Posted by Sinister

"Fat burners" refer to thermogenic pills that advertise themselves as such. But they don't burn any fat. They're strictly for energy, CNS stimulation in most cases. From there it's a matter of knowing your tolerance for stimulants, and not expecting them to work the miracles they say on TV and in the magazines. They can give you good excitability to work out, nothing more.

I'm not sure I 100% agree with your analysis of thermogenic supplements as strictly for energy. While the use of stimulants has the potential ramp up a work out, their effects on fat loss go beyond this. Stimulants increase the production of catecholomines which induce fat fat oxidization. Stimulants further have the effect of decreasing appetite, leading to an increase chance of caloric deficit.That is unless you know something I don't which is very well possible.

TS most commercial stimulant based thermogenics contain similar ingredients, so just pick one from a reliable company. I personally use NOW Energy with an additional 200 mg of caffeine 3 x a day when dieting and 1 x day when not. Its not a micacle worker but it helps.

[Sinister]

Stimulants increase the production of catecholomines which induce fat fat oxidization. Stimulants further have the effect of decreasing appetite, leading to an increase chance of caloric deficit.That is unless you know something I don't which is very well possible.

The problems with this are that the actual data regarding what blends of stimulants are on the market is all over the place. These companies take scientific information like what you stated about stimulants in-general, then construct virtually untested stimulant blends and market them backed by said notions. But the data only supports certain stimulants. You can't market octopamine based on the same information that was confirmed about ephedrine, you can't market synephrine and yohimbine with the information that was established about the ECA stack.

For one thing, doses aren't the same, and there's not to be accounted for the possible lack of synergistic effects between stimulant blends, as well as how a substance like yohimbine activates every receptor it gets to before it gets to the ones that really count. So you feel an effect, but you're not getting the receptor activity that's most optimal.

As far as appetite suppression, if there's one thing I find entirely useless for weight loss purposes, it's taking a substance to suppress appetite. This can be done with food far more effectively even that a stimulant can, so I don't necessarily count that as advantageous. Combine that with that people are given the impression from the marketing that all they have to do is take these stimulant blends, and minimally adjust their eating and exercise habits, and you basically have a prescription for long-term failure, especially when receptor sensitivity is lost to the stimulants, and minimal fat oxidation has occurred.

[honkeytonkheroe]

Originally Posted by Sinister

The problems with this are that the actual data regarding what blends of stimulants are on the market is all over the place. These companies take scientific information like what you stated about stimulants in-general, then construct virtually untested stimulant blends and market them backed by said notions. But the data only supports certain stimulants. You can't market octopamine based on the same information that was confirmed about ephedrine, you can't market synephrine and yohimbine with the information that was established about the ECA stack.

For one thing, doses aren't the same, and there's not to be accounted for the possible lack of synergistic effects between stimulant blends, as well as how a substance like yohimbine activates every receptor it gets to before it gets to the ones that really count. So you feel an effect, but you're not getting the receptor activity that's most optimal.

As far as appetite suppression, if there's one thing I find entirely useless for weight loss purposes, it's taking a substance to suppress appetite. This can be done with food far more effectively even that a stimulant can, so I don't necessarily count that as advantageous. Combine that with that people are given the impression from the marketing that all they have to do is take these stimulant blends, and minimally adjust their eating and exercise habits, and you basically have a prescription for long-term failure, especially when receptor sensitivity is lost to the stimulants, and minimal fat oxidation has occurred.

Okay, I get what your saying.You are right. The data I have read is all based on ECA, ephedrine or caffeine and you really can't mix apple and oranges.
Personally I eat a high fat diet ( around 50% of total caloric intake)which stablizes my appetite but my activity level is so high that when I drop caloric intake ( usaually by eliminating my half gallon of milk a day habit) my hunger pains are insane. In this situation, I feel personally the use of a stimulant helps me refrain. Maybe this a mental weakness on my part. I don't agree with stimulant use in order to make up for lack of discipline and hardwork.

[Sinister]

Personally I eat a high fat diet ( around 50% of total caloric intake)which stablizes my appetite but my activity level is so high that when I drop caloric intake ( usaually by eliminating my half gallon of milk a day habit) my hunger pains are insane. In this situation, I feel personally the use of a stimulant helps me refrain. Maybe this a mental weakness on my part. I don't agree with stimulant use in order to make up for lack of discipline and hardwork.

Same as me, almost identical in-fact right down to the milk habit. Oh man, nothing makes me happier than a cold glass of organic milk. If I went a week without it, I'd have to kill people.

Know how I cut my calories when I cut weight for a Fight? I go to bed earlier. Normally I have a last meal before bed, when not training for a Fight (the two times I've cut weight, the Fights didn't even end up happening, fuckers), but I may have one in December or January, and when I do I just go to bed an hour earlier and it cuts that last meal, which is close to 300 calories. Because I'm usually in ketosis during the cut, what body-fat I do have sustains through the night, so I don't even wake up hungry.

I do use caffeine, but in a negligible amount.

[modena1983]

Originally Posted by Sinister

Same as me, almost identical in-fact right down to the milk habit. Oh man, nothing makes me happier than a cold glass of organic milk. If I went a week without it, I'd have to kill people.

Know how I cut my calories when I cut weight for a Fight? I go to bed earlier. Normally I have a last meal before bed, when not training for a Fight (the two times I've cut weight, the Fights didn't even end up happening, fuckers), but I may have one in December or January, and when I do I just go to bed an hour earlier and it cuts that last meal, which is close to 300 calories. Because I'm usually in ketosis during the cut, what body-fat I do have sustains through the night, so I don't even wake up hungry.

I do use caffeine, but in a negligible amount.

would be so interested to see a diet log from you and a KETO faq.