[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Mathias

Where would you say most of your protein intake comes from? Do you use any powders like Soy or just the amounts from nuts? I would've guessed you ate grains, legumes, and nuts, etc. I can't imagine someone training on just fruits and vegetables.

yes, grains / nuts / legumes are also a very nice and healthy addition to the standard organic non gmo diet of fruits and vegetables.

[TopCat]

Not to add fuel to the fire, but most all of the arguments I see against vegans or meat eaters (depending on which side is arguing) take into account or use statistics of the ignorant masses.

Not to point a finger, but this line is a perfect example:

To be honest with you, you could say even worse about meat eaters..In america 60% of them are obese.

Assuming that's a correct statistic, assuredly most all of them are ignorant to proper nutrition. The same people could NOT eat meat and still be in the same boat.

If anyone is going to argue against the other side, use the people who eat properly to point out shortcomings. I doubt that either side could develop a compelling argument from a nutritional standpoint, then. Politically speaking is another matter entirely.

[noise666]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Noise is our resident, knowledgeable, and I might emphasize, level-headed vegan. I pay him to stay and put up with the carnivorous aggression.

Mike - ha, thanks man. Sometimes my brain hurts from all the craziness in here though. Hence why I'll disappear for a few and give it a break.

Originally Posted by Mathias

Where would you say most of your protein intake comes from? Do you use any powders like Soy or just the amounts from nuts? I would've guessed you ate grains, legumes, and nuts, etc. I can't imagine someone training on just fruits and vegetables.

Most of my protein comes from beans, legumes and nuts. I do of course eat soy based products as well. I don't use soy protein power drinks, I usually try to stay away from the isolated soy protein concentrate. If I eat soy, it's some tofu, or a little soy milk on my cereal/oats or something of that nature. I also will eat seitan in meals too.

That being said, I train on my diet just fine. Even if I were to cut out the occasional tofu, soy milk and seitan, which I've done I don't usually have a problem training. I train Muay Thai and BJJ 5 time a week each, along with weight and cardio training at home.

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

I think exactly the same way hahaha..and I will continue to think that way once i become vegan. Your diet has got to be one of the healthiest diets modern day in existence. Do you grow your own food? or are you strict with organic non gmo produce? I've heard a lot about GMO produce lacking in nutrients in comparison. As well as obviously being sprayed with many chemicals and pesticides.

Cory, glad to see you're thinking about trying it out. Just so you know, B-12 isn't only found in meat. When you start experimenting with your cooking, try some recipes using nutritional yeast flakes. You can make some really amazing dishes with it.

I definitely try to make sure anything I buy is non-GMO. A lot of people think tofu is all GMO based. When in fact, most of the stuff you find in stores (including Kroger) is non-gmo. It's right on the front "NON-GMO SOY BEANS", etc. So that's definitely a good thing to look out for.

I'm as organic as possible here in Michigan. My wife and I are pretty big into the environmental aspect of things and do our best to help it. Of course, that's one reason we're vegan. We've just created our first garden this year. So far it's doing really well, and I can't wait to have a nice fresh tomato and peppers soon. Another couple weeks and we should be able to harvest some. Next year we'll be expanding our garden, which I'm really looking forward to.

On the organic/environmental note, you sometimes have a catch-22. Buying organic is great, but buying local organic is the optimal choice. We have a farmers market here which we get lucky to go to on Sunday's and stock up on as much locally grown organic produce as possible. However, when you need something and the farmers market isn't there, you have to go to the store. So when looking at organic produce, I also try to see where it's grown. You figure, if I'm in Michigan and the organic produce is grown in California, that's a lot of traveling to get it here. So all the pollution just to get it here in turns kind messes things up.

So that, combined with the sometimes insane price of it, I'll buy something a little closer to my plate and wash it with veggie wash :- )

Good luck!

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by TopCat

Not to add fuel to the fire, but most all of the arguments I see against vegans or meat eaters (depending on which side is arguing) take into account or use statistics of the ignorant masses.

Not to point a finger, but this line is a perfect example:


Assuming that's a correct statistic, assuredly most all of them are ignorant to proper nutrition. The same people could NOT eat meat and still be in the same boat.

If anyone is going to argue against the other side, use the people who eat properly to point out shortcomings. I doubt that either side could develop a compelling argument from a nutritional standpoint, then. Politically speaking is another matter entirely.

I whole heartedly agree with you, There is no point in the argument if were not using healthy people as examples. However, I do think there is quite the compelling argument against meat based products from a nutritional standpoint. But that is best saved for another time ;)

"(CBS) Just as the holidays have arrived, a federal survey says the country’s weight problem is worse than ever with more than 60 percent of Americans overweight."

Originally Posted by noise666

Mike - ha, thanks man. Sometimes my brain hurts from all the craziness in here though. Hence why I'll disappear for a few and give it a break.


Most of my protein comes from beans, legumes and nuts. I do of course eat soy based products as well. I don't use soy protein power drinks, I usually try to stay away from the isolated soy protein concentrate. If I eat soy, it's some tofu, or a little soy milk on my cereal/oats or something of that nature. I also will eat seitan in meals too.

That being said, I train on my diet just fine. Even if I were to cut out the occasional tofu, soy milk and seitan, which I've done I don't usually have a problem training. I train Muay Thai and BJJ 5 time a week each, along with weight and cardio training at home.


Cory, glad to see you're thinking about trying it out. Just so you know, B-12 isn't only found in meat. When you start experimenting with your cooking, try some recipes using nutritional yeast flakes. You can make some really amazing dishes with it.

I definitely try to make sure anything I buy is non-GMO. A lot of people think tofu is all GMO based. When in fact, most of the stuff you find in stores (including Kroger) is non-gmo. It's right on the front "NON-GMO SOY BEANS", etc. So that's definitely a good thing to look out for.

I'm as organic as possible here in Michigan. My wife and I are pretty big into the environmental aspect of things and do our best to help it. Of course, that's one reason we're vegan. We've just created our first garden this year. So far it's doing really well, and I can't wait to have a nice fresh tomato and peppers soon. Another couple weeks and we should be able to harvest some. Next year we'll be expanding our garden, which I'm really looking forward to.

On the organic/environmental note, you sometimes have a catch-22. Buying organic is great, but buying local organic is the optimal choice. We have a farmers market here which we get lucky to go to on Sunday's and stock up on as much locally grown organic produce as possible. However, when you need something and the farmers market isn't there, you have to go to the store. So when looking at organic produce, I also try to see where it's grown. You figure, if I'm in Michigan and the organic produce is grown in California, that's a lot of traveling to get it here. So all the pollution just to get it here in turns kind messes things up.

So that, combined with the sometimes insane price of it, I'll buy something a little closer to my plate and wash it with veggie wash :- )

Good luck!

Thats cool, I thought meat was the only source of b12..Glad to hear that it's not. It's a good sign that they've at least started labeling GMO produce, It's a step in the right direction hopefully. I've heard so much about the health benefits of this lifestyle from a lot of my friends who happen to live it. I've been a meat eater my whole life, but after hearing all of these amazing stories..I am quite certain I will be switching my diet some time in the near future. That's really great you're trying your hand at a garden..I am attempting one this year as well, growing tomatoes / potatoes / spinach / parsley / basil / greek oregano / and cauliflower..

Next year hopefully I will have my whole back yard completely rooted and turned into an organic garden. It's the dream ;) I definitely think it's better to pick up organic produce in season than it is to pick it up from outside sources. I live in BC vancouver, and it has to truck all the way from california to get here..You could imagine how much that would raise the price of the produce.

Good talkin to you, and I'm glad to hear that there is other people supporting the fight for adequate nutrition and a healthy lifestyle. It's really hard to get your opinion expressed to people sometimes that have fallen into a certain belief system in which they grew up with. But I'm learning to cope with it, and Hopefully..I'll have quite a significant argument when I actually do become vegan.

Peace.

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Mathias

I've never met any fat person who watches what they eat and exercises reguarly.



So a person decides to watch what they eat and he loses some weight? Amazing. He could have been eating Pizza and Oreos for all I know.



There are plenty of ectomorphs that can't get fat eating 5000 calories of McDonald's cheeseburgers a day. Why would this be any different for an ectomorph that watches what they eat?

Im not even going to argue with you after what you just said....

Originally Posted by Mathias

Fat and Protein fill someone up more and make them satisfied - in the long run, they eat less because of it. Whereas a diet of just fruits and vegetables will raise someones blood sugar and increase insulin production making them unsatisfied and want to splurge any chance they get. I'm all too familiar with high carb diets as I used to follow one and was nothing short of miserable.

somehow I'm doubtful you followed a diet like we listed above.

[Mathias]

Originally Posted by Cory_Pilfold

somehow I'm doubtful you followed a diet like we listed above.

First of all, your views have changed here. You've added grains, nuts, legumes, etc. whereas in the other thread you said only "fruits and vegetables."

The diet I followed was your basic fast track to hypoglycemia/diabetes including whole wheat pasta, brown rice, ezekiel bread, lean chicken breast, fruits, vegetables, and a mixture of nuts with a lot of dedication. And yes it was miserable because a lack of animal fat made me want to splurge on vegetable fats from processed sources and I never realized how pathetic it was until I abandoned my 'fat fear.'

[Vedic]

That's no suprise. Hell you aren't even talking to a vegetarian. Hell he won't even say his age or education lovel. At least Noise comes with a well thought out side. Not copying and pasting endless bull shit.

But Cory is good at telling us how we eat, when he doesn't know us on a personal level

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Mathias

First of all, your views have changed here. You've added grains, nuts, legumes, etc. whereas in the other thread you said only "fruits and vegetables."

The diet I followed was your basic fast track to hypoglycemia/diabetes including whole wheat pasta, brown rice, ezekiel bread, lean chicken breast, fruits, vegetables, and a mixture of nuts with a lot of dedication. And yes it was miserable because a lack of animal fat made me want to splurge on vegetable fats from processed sources and I never realized how pathetic it was until I abandoned my 'fat fear.'

Well i did say fruits and vegetables, but I meant to say anything naturally grown. Which usually does fall under that category, It's a generalization really..I realized that You don't just eat fruits and vegetables, but basically anything that is naturally grown on this planet. Sorry If i didn't get that point across earlier, I can see why there has been so much disagreement But i understand now.

Originally Posted by Vedic

That's no suprise. Hell you aren't even talking to a vegetarian. Hell he won't even say his age or education lovel. At least Noise comes with a well thought out side. Not copying and pasting endless bull shit.

But Cory is good at telling us how we eat, when he doesn't know us on a personal level

If you just want to argue instead of having an intelligent conversation, then I have nothing to say to you. First of all you call what I have to say bullshit, but When I do the same to you..you call me close minded.

I'm done arguing with a child like yourself, grow up and then we can have some discussion. Until then, stay out of the big boy forums.

I am not a vegan, so in fact the only way I can prove a point is by reciting opinions from other healthy vegans..and coming up with research and science in relation to that. Like i said, Once i am a vegan..I will be able to explain it in a more clear perspective. Until then, It's not exactly like I can bring everybody I know that's vegan to come and meet you. I was trying to tell you to go and talk to some very healthy vegans, to try and understand the perspective and point of view i was coming from. You can understand the thoughts and perspective much more clear in a healthy vegan person, As you seen with noise.

[Vedic]

Oh the joy of the ignore button

[Cory_Pilfold]

Originally Posted by Vedic

Oh the joy of the ignore button

This is exactly what I mean, you choose to ignore me and pass my opinions and research off as bullshit..but when I do the same to you, I am close minded and I don't know what i'm talking about. It's a double standard, and it's hypocrisy.

Considering how much you brag about being very educated, You should at least have the means to respect another person's opinion..based off respectable science and research.

I'm glad you ignored me, now I don't have to argue with a guy that refuses to see another point of view.