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Old 01-22-2009, 04:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well it's pretty different in its approach, for sure. I haven't done either of them but I've read through both. Lyle's is a PSMF, set at about 800-1000 calories a day for bigger guys, which can last as little as 2 weeks for thinner people. It's much more extreme and potentially less healthy,
You're not including everything. Do you own the book? The protocol for athletic people (or thinner people) is different then for fatter people. It divides people up by categories. Many people here are going to be category 1 and it isn't nearly that extreme. My calculated caloric intake would be ~1,500 today. And I've done both diets. There's nothing less healthy about Lyle's approach. In fact, I think it's healthier because the refeeds are scheduled better, in my opinion, and the higher protein intakes are much better suited to preserve muscle mass.

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and also assumes that your gym performance will be severely compromised if not written off for the duration. I think for someone looking for a slightly more gradual approach that will allow for a pretty normal existence Berardi's is a good choice
I can almost guarantee that RFL diet will preserve muscle more efficiently than GSD. The protein intake is way higher. The calories are debatable but they aren't necessarily that different in extremes. JB starts at 10 cals per pound but admits that some need to drop as low as 8. 8x185 (my current weight) = 1,480. RFL had me at 1,500.

Of course gym performance is going to suffer. It would on either diet and those who say it doesn't on JB's is either full of shit or not doing the diet strictly. You have to taper training back on either diet and go into a maintenance mode. You must continue to lift weights or you will lose muscle. If you taper it back like the RFL program recommends, you'll still have your strength at the end of the cycle.

In my opinion, both diets are extreme. If you're going to do an extreme diet... I'd pick the best one. Like I've said, I've actually done them both. The first time was because I wanted to drop some weight and the second time was just for the fuck of it. I'm a curious bastard like that. I've done all sorts of different diets just to see what happens.

I won't give away more about Lyles diet though because it's not fair to the author when he makes his living from book sales.

I did get results on JB's diet. I'm not denying that. I just think that Lyle's is a lot better for various reasons and I'm just throwing that opinion out there if anyone is interested in checking it out.
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:17 PM   #12 (permalink)

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Cool. Thanks for the info on the RFL diet.
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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"caloric intakes on this diet will come out to between 400 to 1200 calories per day coming almost exclusively from protein" . . . "a 2000 calorie per day deficit"
Like I mentioned, that's for normal couch potatoes for the most part. Athletic people are handled differently.
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Fair enough, Monger. I don't own the book myself, I just skimmed the e-version my friend has (he hasn't had the balls to actually do it yet). I know for myself I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a diet that allows a fair amount of fat in it, if I was to continue going to the gym at all, but i can see your point.
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I understand your concern.

I just have two schools of thought when it comes to fat loss...

1. Do it slow with a mild caloric restriction in order to maintain training or performance in your sport.
2. Go balls out and get the bitch done ASAP because no one likes to diet.

Number two usually wins in my eyes every time I just hammer it out and move on with training.
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I'll be checking out the RFLD if i have time to read anything else this semester, but I figure I shall stay the course on the GSD for these next 6-12wk.

I won't be able to order the HR, Abs+, or PD until Monday but I have everything else I need. I will just make some ECA stack for the time being maybe.

Day 1 is no problem so far. The only time I get the munchies is at night like everyone else, I suppose, and they are rare bouts.

The only part I dislike is taking BCAA all day. GHHRRRRRRRGL~!

Oh and 175lbs in the sig was from a while ago. I haven't been around to keep it updated. It's most likely around 186 right now, but some genius broke the scales at the gym where I teach.
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You're 6 foot 175 and you want to lose weight? How far are you planning to go? I'm probably a little taller, 180, and I don't feel like I'm near big enough to make a cut worthwhile.
Care to respond to this, Fight_Song?

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't read you previous post closely enough
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Dammit, everybody who's posted here better go down and post in my parody thread. I put way too much thought into that for it to go to waste.
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I'd skip the Abs+. It's just CLA+green tea extract. Just drink the green tea and forget about CLA.
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