Beta-Alanine "The Next Creatine" - Page 7

Art Vandelay · 08-01-2007, 12:49 PM

The problem with internet reviews has always been schills. Since this is not a supplement focused board, this is less likely. Still, anyone remember Anabolic Pump? All I know is 10,000 unbiased testers flooded every board on the planet claiming mass gains, recovery gains, and even fat loss. Hardgainers were constantly hungry, etc etc. Look it up now and you'll see a lot of disappointed normal people. That seems to be a trend with USP Labs.

I think we all agree that there are a handful of good concentrated "food" supplements and some useful bulk powders. Beyond that, shady borderline supplements and completely worthless products.

erco · 08-01-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by King Kabuki

Why only 2g? Didn't you read the dosing that had the most clinical viability?

I'm at work and only had a 1/2 teaspoon =p

I'll be doing 4g during lunch.

Also, the t-nation commerci...I mean article on Biotest's BA product made it seem like spread out through the day is best. I'm too busy this week to look up what's best atm however.

Monger · 08-01-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by erco

I'm at work and only had a 1/2 teaspoon =p

I'll be doing 4g during lunch.

Also, the t-nation commerci...I mean article on Biotest's BA product made it seem like spread out through the day is best. I'm too busy this week to look up what's best atm however.

That T-nation article recommended frequent daily doses because it needs to "stay in your system" but I just recently read a paper written by John Berardi and Mike Rousell that says frequent, small dosing is to prevent or minimize paresthesia. In that same paper, they suggested that 3.2 - 6.4g per day would be good for an 80Kg person. Also, the suggested max dosage was 10mg/kg BW at one time. I'm just passing on information from Beradi's paper and I'm in no way saying this is gospel.

HuMz · 08-01-2007, 02:08 PM

Waiting for reviews and studies before trying.

So much products this days labeled as the next creatine.

**King Kabuki** · 08-01-2007, 02:51 PM

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Also, the suggested max dosage was 10mg/kg BW at one time. I'm just passing on information from Beradi's paper and I'm in no way saying this is gospel.

In the clinical trials, nothing ever did better than 6.5g. Based on that I see no reason to take 10.

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Waiting for reviews and studies before trying.

Try reading the thread, I posted a buttload of them.

Monger · 08-01-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by King Kabuki

In the clinical trials, nothing ever did better than 6.5g. Based on that I see no reason to take 10.

That was 10mg per kg of bodyweight. That would equate into 800mg per dosage for a 176lb dude. That statement was meant to be per single dosage to prevent paresthesia. If this is taken 8 times a day you hit the 6.4g mark.

**MikeMartial** · 08-01-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Monger

but I just recently read a paper written by John Berardi and Mike Rousell that says frequent, small dosing is to prevent or minimize paresthesia.

Can you link up that paper, or is that only for paid-in-full PN members?

Monger · 08-01-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Can you link up that paper, or is that only for paid-in-full PN members?

I downloaded it in PDF format from the PN boards. I don't know how to post that or even if I should. I think it's a future paper that they'll publish on T-nation or somewhere similar.

HuMz · 08-03-2007, 01:53 PM

This paresthesia thing is a little scary.

"Beta-Alanine binds to both the Glycine and GABA receptors in the brain. By doing so, it can block GABA uptake, and decrease Glutamatergic excitation. Glutamate is the most important excitatory transmitter in the brain and the NMDA receptor is a receptor for Glutamate. As the Glutamate site is often flooded, the diffusion of Beta-Alanine in the brain will augment the activation of the NMDA receptor increasing synaptic activity - And so, the paresthesia."

There's nerves in the brain too, I don't care a little paresthesia in my arms or my penis (joking), but I hope that is not bad on the brain

**MikeMartial** · 08-03-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HuMz

There's nerves in the brain too, I don't care a little paresthesia in my arms or my penis (joking), but I hope that is not bad on the brain

Well, parethesia and the brain is a non-issue, but the fact it blocks GABA re-uptake should make it, potentially, a nootropic. But there's so many variable actions of the neurotrasmitters and receptor sites in the brain, so who knows.

So far, it looks promising, though, the more I read about it.