[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

wow, timing is all everything


Keep us updated when you get back (I thought initially you were rubbing in having a holiday).

No, not at all; I'll be in a nice hot desert, but with my in-laws. I'll need a vacation when I get back.

I've been off BA since the end of Jan when my supply ran out and my Bulk Nutrition order was delayed until this week; there's no point in starting now, since I leave Wednesday. But when I get back, it's back on the BA train.

[Cooz]

Originally Posted by Chris_A

Correct me if I'm wrong... but from what I remember, the highest proven amount's effectiveness, irrespective of weight, was 6.4 grams.

I have been scaling out 6.4 grams every morning and putting it in a water bottle and having a sip every two hours until it is completely finished before I go to bed. (As per recommendation by a fellow Sherdogger) ((is sherdogger a word? If not, it should be.))

That being said... I still think I may follow the "more = better" crowd and try adding another gram or gram and a half preWO with my Creatine.

I hope BA isn't going to result in some crazy type of cancer later in life,
-Chris

how is taking it that way working out for you?


and you take it over 12 hours or so? and weren't u supposed to take it with carbs (gatorade or something similar)

do you get any tingles nausea?

i took BA once at 4g which just ruined me...mad tingles and itchyness combined with nausea for like 2+ hours (i'm a junior or reg lightweight btw...i forget the exact class!).

Another time i took 1g at a time...but after the first gram i felt the same way...only for less time and less severe.

I've been holding off on it to A) fine-tune my diet and lifting routine B) get a capsule maker (i've been traumatized by something similar tasting to BA and gatorade and the taste just kills me)

i think i could handle a sip every couple hours though.

[Ian Coe]

Originally Posted by Chris_A

Correct me if I'm wrong... but from what I remember, the highest proven amount's effectiveness, irrespective of weight, was 6.4 grams.

I have been scaling out 6.4 grams every morning and putting it in a water bottle and having a sip every two hours until it is completely finished before I go to bed. (As per recommendation by a fellow Sherdogger) ((is sherdogger a word? If not, it should be.))

That being said... I still think I may follow the "more = better" crowd and try adding another gram or gram and a half preWO with my Creatine.

I hope BA isn't going to result in some crazy type of cancer later in life,
-Chris

Thats a good idea.

Only problem is I'd have to prepare in advance and then make sure I have the container with me at all times.

I wonder how the uptake differs between this method, 5g in one hit or 4 1.5g doses throughout the day

[Monger]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

my Bulk Nutrition order was delayed until this week

So you finally received this mysterious BN order we've been hearing about? Ha ha... congrats dude. It really sucks that it was held up like that.

[Monger]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

I wonder how the uptake differs between this method, 5g in one hit or 4 1.5g doses throughout the day

I'm not sure. Nearly every study that I've seen (or remember anyway) used several small doses throughout the day. I've heard two reasons for doing this...

1. To avoid paresthesia.

2. It's required to keep BA saturated in your body (meaning it may not keep elevated levels that long after consumption).

Obviously, the first one is true. You will avoid paresthesia (at least most will) if you take several small doses. But if this was the governing reason why it was administered that way in the studies, it would also confirm my opinion that paresthesia means nothing and it is NOT a sign of saturation or effectiveness. This would also confirm my opinion that Poliquin is just trying to sell supplements when he makes asinine statements of "take it till you tingle". And yes, the Poliquin jab was unnecessary but I’ve decided to take them when I can.

The second could be a biggy. I've never been able to find out with certainty rather it's true or not. If it is, most of us haven't been receiving the full benefit from BA. I really can't say if it's true though. My gut tells me that it's not true... but I'm just throwing it out there for conversation.

[Ian Coe]

Originally Posted by Monger

I'm not sure. Nearly every study that I've seen (or remember anyway) used several small doses throughout the day. I've heard two reasons for doing this...

1. To avoid paresthesia.

2. It's required to keep BA saturated in your body (meaning it may not keep elevated levels that long after consumption).

Obviously, the first one is true. You will avoid paresthesia (at least most will) if you take several small doses. But if this was the governing reason why it was administered that way in the studies, it would also confirm my opinion that paresthesia means nothing and it is NOT a sign of saturation or effectiveness. This would also confirm my opinion that Poliquin is just trying to sell supplements when he makes asinine statements of "take it till you tingle". And yes, the Poliquin jab was unnecessary but I’ve decided to take them when I can.

The second could be a biggy. I've never been able to find out with certainty rather it's true or not. If it is, most of us haven't been receiving the full benefit from BA. I really can't say if it's true though. My gut tells me that it's not true... but I'm just throwing it out there for conversation.

I really have never thought paresthesia was ever a good indicator of effectiveness of the dose. I think personally the lower dosage which to not put off the test subjects (how many poeple actually enjoy the sensation and if you aren't taking it for yourself how likely is it you will put up with the feeling).

I wonder how the uptake and stability (that might not be the right word) of BA compares to creatine (since you don't need to take multiple small doses of that for it to be effective)

[Monger]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

I think personally the lower dosage which to not put off the test subjects

That's one reason... another reason could be to maintain integrity in the placebo group. Something abnormal like tingling would probably be a giveaway that you're not in the placebo group.

I wonder how the uptake and stability (that might not be the right word) of BA compares to creatine (since you don't need to take multiple small doses of that for it to be effective)

I don't know how long carnosine levels stay elevated after consumption but it looks like saturation levels start to peak at around 28 days with ~6g a day. So, levels obviously stay elevated for more than 1 day otherwise I don't see how saturation levels would increase over time. After doing some more research today (actually, re-reading stuff I forgot about) it seems that dosing once a day has been proven successful. I retract my number 2 from above and state that multiple dosing is most likely only for avoiding paresthesia.

[Chris_A]

Originally Posted by Cooz

how is taking it that way working out for you?


and you take it over 12 hours or so? and weren't u supposed to take it with carbs (gatorade or something similar)

do you get any tingles nausea?

i took BA once at 4g which just ruined me...mad tingles and itchyness combined with nausea for like 2+ hours (i'm a junior or reg lightweight btw...i forget the exact class!).

Another time i took 1g at a time...but after the first gram i felt the same way...only for less time and less severe.

I've been holding off on it to A) fine-tune my diet and lifting routine B) get a capsule maker (i've been traumatized by something similar tasting to BA and gatorade and the taste just kills me)

i think i could handle a sip every couple hours though.

That is a very good point. In my first few days of BA usage, I noticed I would get bad tingles and mild nausea if I hadn't eaten anything before I had taken a sip of WATER + BA. Like today, I was late to my first morning class and didn't have any food to eat... and still haven't eaten anything therefore I am delaying my first few sips until I can eat something.

So yes, Carbs + BA = good.
BA + nothing = Bad. Nausea, parathesia.

Going through my BA quicker than I predicted,
-Chris

[ChingChang]

has there been any new studies on this?
I've been taking it for 1-2 months, it seems to be helping. Tingles are much less intense than when I first started. Sometimes I don't even feel it. (I take 3.5g pre workout and 3g post workout)

[sanyo89]

I'm willing to give this stuff a shot. What brands are you guys trying?