[krellik]

Originally Posted by King Kabuki

The breakthroughs regarding both creatine and BA is that mega-dosing works wonders. Mega-dosing by standards of far surpassing what we get in food. Compared to how much we use now for performance, food sources are a non-factor.

Yeah my good Kabuki man. But I was more thinking along the lines of "at one time we actually got the mega dose we now are taking suplement wise, sugesting that our bodies simply likes this amount and if we dont get it we "could" look at it as a defficiency.

The same seems true for fishoils, which I suppose is the reason to why it works so damn well in larger doses.

...Now Beta Alanine I dont even know if we get from food, so im not sure if we can look at it in this way or if its simply the act of shoving some stuff down the pipe that happens to help...?;)

[King Kabuki]

Nah, we never got these two things prominently from food to my knowledge.

[Monger]

Beta-alanine supplementation augments muscle carnosine content and attenuates fatigue during repeated isokinetic contraction bouts in trained sprinters.Derave W, Ozdemir MS, Harris R, Pottier A, Reyngoudt H, Koppo K, Wise JA, Achten E.
Department of Movement and Sport Sciences, Ghent University, Ghent, Belgium.

Carnosine (beta-alanyl-L-histidine) is present in high concentrations in human skeletal muscle. The ingestion of beta-alanine, the rate-limiting precursor of carnosine, has been shown to elevate the muscle carnosine content. We aimed to investigate, using proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy (proton MRS), whether oral supplementation with beta-alanine during 4 weeks would elevate the calf muscle carnosine content and affect exercise performance in 400m sprint-trained competitive athletes. Fifteen male athletes participated in a placebo-controlled, double-blind study and were supplemented orally for 4 weeks with either 4.8g/day beta-alanine or placebo. Muscle carnosine concentration was quantified in soleus and gastrocnemius by proton MRS. Performance was evaluated by isokinetic testing during 5 bouts of 30 maximal voluntary knee extensions, by endurance during isometric contraction at 45% MVC and by the indoor 400m running time. beta-Alanine supplementation significantly increased the carnosine content in both the soleus (+47%) and gastrocnemius (+37%). In placebo, carnosine remained stable in soleus while a small and significant increase of +16% occurred in gastrocnemius. Dynamic knee extension torque during the fourth and fifth bout was significantly improved with beta-alanine but not with placebo. Isometric endurance and 400m race time were not affected by treatment. In conclusion, 1) proton MRS can be used to non-invasively quantify human muscle carnosine content; 2) muscle carnosine is increased by oral β-alanine supplementation in sprint-trained athletes; 3) carnosine loading slightly but significantly attenuated fatigue in repeated bouts of exhaustive dynamic contractions; 4) the increase in muscle carnosine did not improve isometric endurance or 400m race time. Key words: Buffer capacity, ergogenic supplements, nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), exercise performance, track-and-field.

Full Study is here
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/me...ead.php?t=8676

[erco]

Originally Posted by Monger

Full Study is here
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/me...ead.php?t=8676

Ror, I just saw that over at PN also...

EDIT:
On a sidenote, I love the PN forums, but does the hottest bod contest annoy anyone else?

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by erco

Ror, I just saw that over at PN also...

Bah, you have to be a full member to view the study.

Originally Posted by erco

EDIT:
On a sidenote, I love the PN forums, but does the hottest bod contest annoy anyone else?

Yeah, it's weak. Reminds me of Bill Phillip's Body For Life in the 90's.

[Monger]

Originally Posted by MikeMartial

Bah, you have to be a full member to view the study.
.

Check your email, dude.

[MikeMartial]

Originally Posted by Monger

Check your email, dude.

[erco]

I like the thread resurrection that occurred in the Nutritional Biochemistry forum this past week too.

[Monger]

Originally Posted by erco

I like the thread resurrection that occurred in the Nutritional Biochemistry forum this past week too.

If you are referring to the thread I think, I'm still disappointed that Berardi has yet to give his opinion even though he's made a couple posts in the thread. At first he says Coach has a "tidy argument" and that he'll reply in a few days and then he takes a 180 turn and says he doesn't debate against every schmuck on the internet.

If Berardi felt that Coach's argument was legit, then I think he should have commented on why his views differ. What’s crazy is that, to date, I’ve never seen Coach 100% proved wrong on this topic. Which is 100% off topic for this thread... whoops...

[Sledge Hammer]

Originally Posted by Monger

If you are referring to the thread I think, I'm still disappointed that Berardi has yet to give his opinion even though he's made a couple posts in the thread. At first he says Coach has a "tidy argument" and that he'll reply in a few days and then he takes a 180 turn and says he doesn't debate against every schmuck on the internet.

If Berardi felt that Coach's argument was legit, then I think he should have commented on why his views differ. What’s crazy is that, to date, I’ve never seen Coach 100% proved wrong on this topic. Which is 100% off topic for this thread... whoops...

i think he also mentioned that his dissertation was related to that as well. but i don't think MM ever got a hold of it.