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Old 11-01-2009, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Aajonus Vonderplanitz's Raw Primal Diet

I'm wondering if anyone here has ever heard of or tried a raw primal diet. I've been on this system since August 29, 2009 and have dropped from almost 200 lbs to 160 lbs with minimum effort. I sleep less, my muscles heal faster, I rarely get sore, my mind is more clear, my bench press went up from 275lbs to 335lbs, and I feel like I've never been this energetic in my life!

It's very similar to Cordain's system but differs by promoting raw uncooked, unprocessed fruits/non-starchy vegetables/meats/organ-meats/eggs, dairy, and aged, raw animal food products such as century eggs, seafood and kefirs.

Unlike Cordain's system, the diet doesn't stress on acquiring lean meat all the time, but rather on selecting meat from organically fed animals. Vonderplanitz's stresses that enzymes, unaltered fats, proteins and sugars in raw foods are paramount to health, and reversing most diseases.

Animal feedlots should be free of pesticides and chemicals. Antibiotics, hormones and drugs should not be be permitted for animal consumption or injection (the bones and glands become toxic and these toxins damage the person who eats them).

It's primarily based on the premise that we, modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors and our genes much less have remained the same since the end of the Paleolithic era (<=20,000 years ago). Therefore it concludes, an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles our ancestral diet.
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I support grass fed, organic, and free range meats as well as wild game consumption as being MUCH healthier than the industrialized alternatives... however, this raw shit has got to stop.
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It's primarily based on the premise that we, modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors and our genes much less have remained the same since the end of the Paleolithic era (<=20,000 years ago). Therefore it concludes, an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles our ancestral diet.
Man has been cooking for over 700,000 years by the most conservative estimates. THAT is long enough to physically adapt to it. what's more, certain things like hearty greens are NOT very nutritionally bioavailable in their raw form due to tough cell walls we lack the enzymatic power to break down.

IMO, rare steak and lightly steamed veggies seem like the way to go for me.
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im not gunna eat raw meat...
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I wonder if you would feel just as good if you ate the same diet but cooked the meat. Was your diet paleo before you went raw? The increase in energy might come from getting off of grains, especially wheat and muscle recovery from the increase in meat and vegetables. Just a thought
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im not gunna eat raw meat...
why? raw beef is really good.

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I've eaten a couple raw ribeyes (some smoked seasalt goes a long way for these), and even some damn good carpacio (mmm... balsamic vinegar reduction...), but I've never liked steak tartar. just mash that shit into a patty and grill it for me. something about the texture leaves me wanting.
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I've eaten a couple raw ribeyes (some smoked seasalt goes a long way for these), and even some damn good carpacio (mmm... balsamic vinegar reduction...), but I've never liked steak tartar. just mash that shit into a patty and grill it for me. something about the texture leaves me wanting.
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I support grass fed, organic, and free range meats as well as wild game consumption as being MUCH healthier than the industrialized alternatives... however, this raw shit has got to stop.

Man has been cooking for over 700,000 years by the most conservative estimates. THAT is long enough to physically adapt to it. what's more, certain things like hearty greens are NOT very nutritionally bioavailable in their raw form due to tough cell walls we lack the enzymatic power to break down.

IMO, rare steak and lightly steamed veggies seem like the way to go for me.
Case and point, heat denatures nutrients.
  • At 110 degrees F, two of the 8 essential amino acids found in meat products, tryptophan and lysine, are destroyed.

When food is cooked above 117 degrees F for only three minutes or longer,the following deleterious changes begin and progressively cause increased nutritional damage as higher temperatures are applied over prolonged periods of time:
  1. proteins coagulate (change from a liquid to a thickened or solid state)
  2. high temperatures denature protein molecular structure, leading to deficiency of some essential amino acids (destroys structure of protein)
  3. carbohydrates caramelize (prevents our bodies from using them as energy sources; ash-like toxins)
  4. overly heated fats generate numerous carcinogens including acrolein, nitrosamines, hydrocarbons, and benzopyrene (one of the most potent cancer-causing agents known)
  5. natural fibers break down
  6. cellulose is completely changed from its natural condition: it loses its ability to sweep the alimentary canal clean
  7. 30% to 50% of vitamins and minerals are destroyed
  8. 100% of enzymes are damaged, the body's enzyme potential is depleted which drains energy needed to maintain and repair tissue and organ systems, thereby shortening the life span.
  9. When proteins are subjected to high heat during cooking, enzyme resistant linkages are formed between the amino acid chains. The body cannot separate these amino acids. What the body cannot use, it must eliminate. Cooked proteins become a source of toxicity: dead organic waste material acted upon and elaborated by bacterial flora.

RAW FOOD Characteristics and Health Benefits
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Of all the million species on earth that thrive on raw food, we're the only ones that apply heat to ours.

On average, we die at or below half of our potential life span due to chronic illnesses, largely related to our diet and lifestyle.

Domesticated pets also suffer from human-like chronic ailments (cancer, arthritis, and other degenerative diseases) due to food denatured by heat (cooked, processed, packaged).
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I've got to say, I enjoy a rare steak as much as anyone, but the conclusions you're drawing are pretty strange.

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Of all the million species on earth that thrive on raw food, we're the only ones that apply heat to ours.
Of all the species on earth, we are also the only ones to do a lot of things, like sit at the top of the food chain for example.

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Diet and lifestyle, and not eating raw meat are two very different things. It is quite possible to be healthy and eat cooked meat all at the same time.

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Dogs are not people. I'm pretty sure I've seen dogs eat their own shit and be fine. Still, I'm all for giving them raw meat.
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Of all the species on earth, we are also the only ones to do a lot of things, like sit at the top of the food chain for example.
This is a strange anomaly that I don't understand myself.

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Diet and lifestyle, and not eating raw meat are two very different things. It is quite possible to be healthy and eat cooked meat all at the same time.
You can have a six pack and be unhealthy. Habitual heat denatured nutrition impairs long-term health & well-being.
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Dogs are not people. I'm pretty sure I've seen dogs eat their own shit and be fine. Still, I'm all for giving them raw meat.
Domesticated pets also suffer from human-like chronic ailments (cancer, arthritis, and other degenerative diseases) due to food denatured by heat (cooked, processed, packaged).

Cows and pigs are fed poultry litter (fecal matter, feathers) for nutrition.

It's not harmful unless the animal is eating chemicals, and being injected with toxicity. Fecal matter is predigest matter, that the body didn't have time to absorb all of. A lot of animals eat them, and their healthy with them.
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