Things you need to know for effective strength and conditioning.

[dnj23]

Originally Posted by kenzo242

Exercises to increase the muscle's ability to produce force is important. As well as, training the energy systems the muscles use for the appropriate sport/activity. Force production is only 1 facet of the game. The workouts using compound movements like deads and squats etc...that challenge the muscle, cardiovascular and nervous system all contribute to better strength and conditioning gains.

My argument is in regards to your initial argument for choice of exercise, or justification for it - based on the issue of "multiplanar" and "dynamic" carryovers to sport, which I disagree.

What "challenges the muscle" and what's more demanding on the cardiovascular and nervous systems is rather irrelevant.

[dnj23]

Originally Posted by cockysprinter

No, weight training goes far beyond increasing a muscles ability to produce force. Lifting weights increases inter and intra muscular coordination, can be used to monitor endocrine response, and promote adaptaions in tissues other than muscles. In addition, the effects are always specific to contraction type, speed of contraction, and the angle of the joint. Not only that, the highest forces the body is able to produce are under isometric conditions. I think you can guess that isometrics aren't primarily used to enhance sporting performance. So not only does weight training need to be specific to the goals of the micro, meso, and macrocycles, but these concepts are very well researched.

This is just a hodgepodge of irrelevance.
My whole point is that choice of strength exercises should reflect in the effectiveness to the targeted muscles in question, not how it reflects martial arts movements. For example, somebody who squats vs someone who leg presses vs someone who does more isolated movements will be no more or less skillfully prepared.

[kenzo242]

Originally Posted by dnj23

My argument is in regards to your initial argument for choice of exercise, or justification for it - based on the issue of "multiplanar" and "dynamic" carryovers to sport, which I disagree.

What "challenges the muscle" and what's more demanding on the cardiovascular and nervous systems is rather irrelevant.

Good response. Multiplanar movements cover all directions and dynamic moves are more ballistic. A leg extension exercise is uniplanar, it can be done fast but it has no cross over to sports because in sports you're not siiting with your back supported and extending the leg. What I'm trying to convey is that, if you train in a multitude of directions and add dynamic movement, you'll challenge your body better.

Challenging the CV system and nervous system is totally relevant to the muscular system because they are all connected to one another in what's called the kinetic chain. The nerves innervate the muscles, the muscles consume oxygen and without oxygen nothing works well for long.

[kenzo242]

Originally Posted by dnj23

This is just a hodgepodge of irrelevance.
My whole point is that choice of strength exercises should reflect in the effectiveness to the targeted muscles in question, not how it reflects martial arts movements. For example, somebody who squats vs someone who leg presses vs someone who does more isolated movements will be no more or less skillfully prepared.

I agree, technically they won't but physiologically there's a big difference.

[cockysprinter]

Originally Posted by dnj23

This is just a hodgepodge of irrelevance.
My whole point is that choice of strength exercises should reflect in the effectiveness to the targeted muscles in question, not how it reflects martial arts movements. For example, somebody who squats vs someone who leg presses vs someone who does more isolated movements will be no more or less skillfully prepared.

No, it, doesn't work like that at all. While targeted muscle certainly have relevance, it is not the end all be all of programming training. It isn't even close. Developing inter and intramuscular coordination helps in the ability to learn new skills and apply the strength you are developing. Endocrine system responses help recovery. While no specific strength exercise will improve a specific martial arts skill, you certainly do need to be training 'movements' over 'muscles.'