Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy

[kickboxing_fan1]

Ok I apologise if this is in the wrong forum. I often get confused by whether it is bettter to follow a bodybuilder's routine or a powerlifting routine for mma i.e when I would do resistance training not all the time.

Powerlifters say that they have the best method since they focus on developing the contractile machinery of the muscle whereas bodybuilder's develop more the sarcoplasm which isn't used for muscle contraction and gives you a visually bigger muscle hence why powerlifters have better bench press maximums. However, since the the sarcoplasm contains a lot of the muscle glycogen and a lot of myoglobin then for a 25 minute mma fight wouldn't it be beneficial to have some sarcoplasmic hypertrophy? Obviously aerobic development is most important for a fight but I am slightly confused by this.

[zombiejitsu]

sad.

[kiridoku]

Hope you're wearing a kevlar/asbestos outfit, my man.


Anywho...

Primarily using BB methods to train for competitive sport? No. No. No. Frikkin' no.
Reason -weight classes. You want bang for your buck.

I'm sure there will be many more responses to follow.
Some may even be somewhat civil and helpful.

[DrBdan]

It's a good thing you posted this in conditioning, if you posted this in S&P you would be being flamed for not reading the FAQ.

S&P FAQ - Please Read

This should pretty much answer your question. You want to get stronger? Borrow from the training methods of people whose #1 priority is getting stronger (i.e. powerlifters and oly lifters)

Originally Posted by S&P FAQ

Q: Why do so many of your links seem to be aimed at powerlifters and Olympic weightlifters, surely this isn’t what I want to help my MMA training?

A: Powerlifters and weightlifters are experts at being strong; these guys know an amazing amount about how to train for an incredible level of relative strength. We don’t advise you follow the training routine of a powerlifter, as you have to also complete hours of technique training, sparring and conditioning work each week, but you can learn a lot on how to train for strength from these people. You look to bjj and boxing for elements of your training, yet neither of these arts will make a complete mma fighter, pretty much the same principle.

As you said yourself, aerobic development is more important for stamina over a 15/25 minute fight. And as kiridoku said, lifting to just get bigger doesn't make sense when you are trying to fit into specific weightclasses.

[$ick Money!]

Hypertrophy = getting bigger. Training to get bigger is going to make you slower and gas easier.

Power = the time rate of doing work. If you train to become more powerful you will get faster.

[cockysprinter]

Originally Posted by kickboxing_fan1

Ok I apologise if this is in the wrong forum. I often get confused by whether it is bettter to follow a bodybuilder's routine or a powerlifting routine for mma i.e when I would do resistance training not all the time.

Powerlifters say that they have the best method since they focus on developing the contractile machinery of the muscle whereas bodybuilder's develop more the sarcoplasm which isn't used for muscle contraction and gives you a visually bigger muscle hence why powerlifters have better bench press maximums. However, since the the sarcoplasm contains a lot of the muscle glycogen and a lot of myoglobin then for a 25 minute mma fight wouldn't it be beneficial to have some sarcoplasmic hypertrophy? Obviously aerobic development is most important for a fight but I am slightly confused by this.

What it comes down to is sarcoplasm doesn't really contribute to the energy needed for MMA endurance. Increased sarcoplasm is a response to training with 60-80% of your max with medium reps and low rest periods. That situation is not similar to the endurance of a fight where all strikes are with extremely low resistance, or where a grappling technique is designed to use as little energy as possible. You might use 50 of these low energy techniques per round, much different than the 30 lifts you might do in five minutes of a bodybuilding routine. The exact physiology is a little beyond me, but I can tell you the stimuli are different and thus the responses needed are different.

[MonstrositY]

don't train exactly like a powerlifter, but since mma has weigh-calsses you want minimum weight and maximum functional strength, so aim for myofibrillar hypertrophy. some higher rep training will be beneficial in increasing your strength endurance, but i wouldn't focus on that. your conditioning training should include some resistance exercise, that'll take care of your strength endurance. just make sure your conditioning workouts are nice and ma functional.

[MonstrositY]

Originally Posted by cockysprinter

What it comes down to is sarcoplasm doesn't really contribute to the energy needed for MMA endurance. Increased sarcoplasm is a response to training with 60-80% of your max with medium reps and low rest periods. That situation is not similar to the endurance of a fight where all strikes are with extremely low resistance, or where a grappling technique is designed to use as little energy as possible. You might use 50 of these low energy techniques per round, much different than the 30 lifts you might do in five minutes of a bodybuilding routine. The exact physiology is a little beyond me, but I can tell you the stimuli are different and thus the responses needed are different.

good post

[seoi nage**]

I'm by no means an expert at this but i've studied a bit online and i've read that for beginners anyways the main increases in strength from powerlifting routines don't come from increases in muscle size but they come from the mind muscle connection and efficiency of movement.

Point i'm trying to make is don't worry about getting bigger when you can add more maximal strength with no weight gain what so ever than increases some strength and some weight gain.

Also the way i look at it is it won't aid in endurance it'll sap you even more because you have to feed that muscle with oxygen for it to work.

It's like having a 5litre engine that does 35 miles to the gallon then getting that engine bored out to 7litres and still expecting it to get 35 miles to the gallon.

[briangodsen]