Rich Franklins Training

Chris Kimmerly · 10-16-2006, 09:21 PM

Perhaps this should be in the conditioning section but I thought I would start out here.

Everyone talks about how Franklin is the hardest working fighter in the game when it comes to training and that he is a cardio machine and that he has alot of heart. All this is very true and I am a big Franklin fan and was shocked (pissed) tha he lost.
I was thinking that perhaps he should focus less on being able to run a marathon and work on the skills he needed to win this fight. I understand that conditioning is a very large part of the game but too much time can be spent in one area and not enough in another. Conditioning and heart with no skills = punching bag.

Revok · 10-16-2006, 10:22 PM

+1

He needs to learn to break out of a MT clinch.

I blame his heinously shit machine circuit.

**Sinister** · 10-16-2006, 11:04 PM

There's nothing to blame.

No aspect of his training, blah-blah-blah. Rich is the person to take the blame, no one else, nothing else. He just didn't have the skills to win, but no one in here is really anyone to say what he OUGHT to have been doing with his time. For all we know he simply chooses not to learn things like defending a Muay Thai clinch, in which case (if it IS the case), blaming any other aspect of his training is stupid.

There's no magic reason Rich lost. He got his ass kicked, it happens. Hopefully he learns. But leave us not blame conditioning routines.

Conditioning routines could have saved BJ Penn.

Conditioning routines could have saved Joe Stevenson.

Skill/game plans could have saved Rich Franklin, and Josh Koscheck against Drew Fickett.

It's not about any one thing over another, it's about being a fighter who covers all the bases to win. That night, the man was Anderson Silva.

bigjoey · 10-16-2006, 11:56 PM

I think his training for strength and conditioning is on point, he himself said that he didn't realize that he would be dismantled in the clinch, that his MT skills need work.

Regalius · 10-17-2006, 03:46 AM

He would break out of any of your MT clinch's anyday. So please enough with him not knowing what was up. He was fighting a damn good fighter and didn't want to leave his head exposed while looking to break the clinch. PS, if u don't even spar in mma don't post about his skills.

**Sinister** · 10-17-2006, 11:21 AM

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He would break out of any of your MT clinch's anyday. So please enough with him not knowing what was up. He was fighting a damn good fighter and didn't want to leave his head exposed while looking to break the clinch. PS, if u don't even spar in mma don't post about his skills.

lol

I hate to break this to you but Rich leaving his head exposed is the reason his nose was pointing at his ear after the fight was over. He left his head exposed the moment he started bringing his arm down to block the bodyshots (HUGE clinchinc no-no), and got kneed in the face a bunch because of it.

10-17-2006, 11:40 AM

This is what makes MMA so tough (among other things). A good defense isn't just ducking/blocking like in boxing. There's defense against wrestling, submissions, leg kicks, punches and of course clinches. That's why ALL the best not named Fedor have recent losses. Champions can be beat by the right "inferior" fighters, unless those champs are experts in every discipline, which is nearly impossible.

**Sinister** · 10-17-2006, 11:45 AM

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This is what makes MMA so tough (among other things). A good defense isn't just ducking/blocking like in boxing. There's defense against wrestling, submissions, leg kicks, punches and of course clinches. That's why ALL the best not named Fedor have recent losses. Champions can be beat by the right "inferior" fighters, unless those champs are experts in every discipline, which is nearly impossible.

Come on now, don't turn this into an "MMA > everything else" argument.

And it wasn't inconceivable for Franklin to come into the fight knowing what Anderson is capable of. There's plenty tapes on the guy, they get plenty time to train, etc. Hey Anderson has been beaten before, too, so he's not invincible. Like you said, no one is. But a Champ is supposed to be a Champ, supposed to be prepared, have done his homework, not just gotten in-shape and prayed for the best.

10-17-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by King Kabuki

Come on now, don't turn this into an "MMA > everything else" argument.

And it wasn't inconceivable for Franklin to come into the fight knowing what Anderson is capable of. There's plenty tapes on the guy, they get plenty time to train, etc. Hey Anderson has been beaten before, too, so he's not invincible. Like you said, no one is. But a Champ is supposed to be a Champ, supposed to be prepared, have done his homework, not just gotten in-shape and prayed for the best.

I didn't say MMA>everything else. But then I do think that. Irregardless, I don't think Franklin prepared the way you mentioned. He stated his mistake was underestimating the strength of Silva's clinch, and I believe him. While it still boils down to a preparation issue, that's still a lot different than doing cardio and praying for the best.

**Sinister** · 10-17-2006, 12:25 PM

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I didn't say MMA>everything else. But then I do think that. Irregardless, I don't think Franklin prepared the way you mentioned. He stated his mistake was underestimating the strength of Silva's clinch, and I believe him. While it still boils down to a preparation issue, that's still a lot different than doing cardio and praying for the best.

What's different about it? Anyone who has ever SEEN Anderson fight nows he has a VERY strong clinch. That's not really a mistake a Champion-level fighter should be making.