Question on the many types of conditioning

mcdonkey · 10-25-2009, 02:25 PM

So today I went jogging for the first time in FOREVER, and after 10 minutes I realized I was getting tired and stopped (don't laugh at me lol). I was confused because in thai boxing I go through some grueling padwork for 1 - 1.5 hours which is very cardio demanding and keep up just fine. Which leads me to several questions which I would like to address to the community of sherdog:

1. It is obvious that runners run, fighters fight, and swimmers swim. Is this the problem in my case? Different types of cardio for different things? That I just don't run enough?

2. I noticed my calves were getting tired, but my breathing was still fine. Does this play a role? Having calves that are unconditioned for running?

3. To add on to the first question, I've seen stand up fighters gas out in wrestling... but would a pure wrestler gas out in a stand up fight? Would a marathon runner gas out in an MMA fight?

Give me your thoughts.

grrthetree · 10-25-2009, 11:43 PM

Yes of course you are stressing your body differently than it is used to, of course it's going to take some getting used to running, despite the fact you are accustomed to other cardio-strenuous activity.

TheRazorFrazer · 10-27-2009, 12:21 AM

I have experienced the same problem. I found it solution was twofold:

1) Get mentally stronger - running is very mentally challenging due to the monotony (for some people). I'm not implying you're mentally weak.

2) Continue to run until your body (especially your joints) become accustomed to that type of stress.

KornFlakes · 10-28-2009, 05:59 PM

Question number 3 about if a marathon runner would gas out in MMA fight? that is a yes. cuz the marathon runner body is adaptated to run long miles, his body isnt adaptated to pull or push someone weight, grappling, wrestling and threwing punches or kicks.

paolo27th · 10-28-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdonkey

So today I went jogging for the first time in FOREVER, and after 10 minutes I realized I was getting tired and stopped (don't laugh at me lol). I was confused because in thai boxing I go through some grueling padwork for 1 - 1.5 hours which is very cardio demanding and keep up just fine. Which leads me to several questions which I would like to address to the community of sherdog:

1. It is obvious that runners run, fighters fight, and swimmers swim. Is this the problem in my case? Different types of cardio for different things? That I just don't run enough?

2. I noticed my calves were getting tired, but my breathing was still fine. Does this play a role? Having calves that are unconditioned for running?

3. To add on to the first question, I've seen stand up fighters gas out in wrestling... but would a pure wrestler gas out in a stand up fight? Would a marathon runner gas out in an MMA fight?

Give me your thoughts.

1 Yes, just like strenght and any other type of physical adaptation cardio if activity specific. That being said if you can do pads for 1hrs straight then you aren`t supposed to gas after 10 mins running.

2 You may lack muscle endurance and that`s what`s holding you back even tho your cardio-respiratory systems are ok. In any case I still have problems with my calves myself and run pretty regularly.

3 This has alot to do with technique. a wrestler will be tense and move "uneconomically" when attempting to strike. Same for a striker trying to wrestle. Of course the more skilled your opponent in a certain area the more confident he`ll be in that area while you`ll be allover the place just trying to keep up.

_kickboxer_ · 10-29-2009, 03:33 AM

I know exactly what you mean. It's just a matter of time, you are a fighter, train like one. What you do on the mats, cage, and on pads is what's gonna help you as a fighter. Swimming, cycling, running are supplementary and yes you should do them but they should not interfere with your fight training.

Organising a schedule for lifting, running, swimming, and cycling means you have to be organized with time managing, with that said you shouldn't find yourself drained because of an activity that is somewhat supplementary, but not fight-specific. Unless your preparing for a triathlon or pt-test then vice versa..the fight training will become supplementary, and the swimming, cycling, running will be primary...know what I mean?

Ian Coe · 10-29-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mcdonkey

So today I went jogging for the first time in FOREVER, and after 10 minutes I realized I was getting tired and stopped (don't laugh at me lol). I was confused because in thai boxing I go through some grueling padwork for 1 - 1.5 hours which is very cardio demanding and keep up just fine. Which leads me to several questions which I would like to address to the community of sherdog:

1. It is obvious that runners run, fighters fight, and swimmers swim. Is this the problem in my case? Different types of cardio for different things? That I just don't run enough?

2. I noticed my calves were getting tired, but my breathing was still fine. Does this play a role? Having calves that are unconditioned for running?

3. To add on to the first question, I've seen stand up fighters gas out in wrestling... but would a pure wrestler gas out in a stand up fight? Would a marathon runner gas out in an MMA fight?

Give me your thoughts.

Were you jogging, or were you unaccustomed to pacing yourself and started running like a man with a piece of meat hanging from his ball sack chased by a pack of hungry dogs?

Running is all about the pace you set for yourself. Even on the pads, you can't sustain a high level (for yourself) for longer then 3-4 minutes without fatique setting in. When you rest during the 1 minute breaks, you can recover if you're fit enough, but there is no way you could sustain a 1 round pace for 10 minutes.

TMMAray · 10-29-2009, 10:26 PM

One of the most overlooked aspects of running is technique. Generally speaking, people run with terrible form. A big part of your problem is probably that you're making one or more of the major mistakes in form, like stomping down, bounding upward, running heel-toe, etc.

I would suggest reading a couple of articles on good form, and if possible, have someone knowledgeable on the subject watch you run and critique your form.

Additionally, finding the correct pace will (obviously) have a large effect on your ability to run. Too fast and you'll get tired, too slow and you're just one of those pathetic people jogging along, essentially accomplishing nothing.

Ian Coe · 10-30-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TMMAray

One of the most overlooked aspects of running is technique. Generally speaking, people run with terrible form. A big part of your problem is probably that you're making one or more of the major mistakes in form, like stomping down, bounding upward, running heel-toe, etc.

Running on the balls of the feet is more efficient no?

I'm interested in the whole aspect of running form more these days since I developed a running related injury (PF).

**athletic** · 10-30-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian Coe

Running on the balls of the feet is more efficient no?

I'm interested in the whole aspect of running form more these days since I developed a running related injury (PF).

Yes, please expand, I've always thought that toe running is for sprinting, heel-toe is a no-no, but mid-foot to ball of foot is for slower paced, distance running?