[Ian Coe]

Originally Posted by stewy37

Just to clarify, that would be Alli, not all stimulant/thermogenics.

I thought that was implied.


Is that what that stuff is called though.


That particular drug doesn't work as a stimulant or a thermogenic btw. It just stops fat from being absorbed.
Where as stimulants excite the nervous system and thermogenics (which are usually stimulants) raise the resting body temp slightly (or with clen by a lot)

[train_t'll_fail]

Take a look at high and low glycemic index carbs. Weight loss might just be what your eating. Try having high glycemic index carbs directly after workouts and low glycemic index carbs at any other times. Any kind of high glycemic carb (pasta, bread, rice) that isnt being used for muscle glycogen or energy is stored as love handles.

[rEdShawks]

its never that easy

[Punch Drunk]

dont waste your money on that crap. just train your ass off

[Manson75]

Is this what you were looking for?

[Jake Martin]

You bumped this thread to post that picture?

[gracie_barra]

Originally Posted by justyn

yeah, no point in using a fat loss suppliment to suppliment your running and excercise. If we all had that kind of attitude, we'd find ourselves using other stuff like Protien mixes to suppliment our diet, or BCAAs to help build muscle. Next thing you know, you'll want to use stuff like Creatine and Gutamine, or maybe glucosamine b/c your joints hurt. I fell into a spiral years ago, taking these "One-a-Day" vitamins, I'm hooked now. Don't do it man.

maybe u dont need creatine and glutamine and all that other shit, but you do need protein supplements if you want to maximize your diet/exercise program.

[Ian Coe]

Originally Posted by justyn

yeah, no point in using a fat loss suppliment to suppliment your running and excercise. If we all had that kind of attitude, we'd find ourselves using other stuff like Protien mixes to suppliment our diet, or BCAAs to help build muscle. Next thing you know, you'll want to use stuff like Creatine and Gutamine, or maybe glucosamine b/c your joints hurt. I fell into a spiral years ago, taking these "One-a-Day" vitamins, I'm hooked now. Don't do it man.

IMO

Supplement a dictionary and dose up on it for at least 2 months!

[justyn]

Originally Posted by gracie_barra

maybe u dont need creatine and glutamine and all that other shit, but you do need protein supplements if you want to maximize your diet/exercise program.

I realize that sarcasm doesn't go over well over the net, I was basically pointing out that weight loss supplements are just that: Supplements. A lot of people on here have really slammed the idea b/c they see it as being lazy, but are likely to used other suppliments that help build muscle. It's the same thing, just for a different purpose. It's all somewhat hypocritical. You don't see someone ask "should I take muscle building supps" and get the answer of "buy empty capsules, fill with effort and deadlifts."