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Old 01-11-2006, 02:43 PM   #31 (permalink)
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You say you sleep at altitude and train and sea level. Wouldnt it be more efficient to sleep at sea level and train at higher altitudes?
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:14 PM   #32 (permalink)

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You say you sleep at altitude and train and sea level. Wouldnt it be more efficient to sleep at sea level and train at higher altitudes?
that's the million dollar question
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Old 01-11-2006, 07:36 PM   #33 (permalink)

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yes, sleeping high and training low is much better than sleeping high, and training high...

you have practically zero recovery time if you do that...

plus, you will actually train your body to fail earlier, and you'll suffer detraining effects...

training high and sleeping low
is different though, b/c you're returning back to sea level for recovery, and you're red blood cell count grows...

remember when tito said that big bear actually broke his body down? that's why...

as for respiratory diseases and negative side effects, i'm not a doctor, but i'd say talk to one first...
that's what you kinda suggest here polynikes, it's a little unclear which you mean...
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Old 01-11-2006, 08:09 PM   #34 (permalink)

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Hasn't Tabata protocol been shown to increase the VO2 peak by 14%?

Isn't that by far the cheaper and easier solution?

I mean, I can see why this would work, but if I can sprint for a few minutes and get similar results, hell even half the results, isn't that a better option?
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:24 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Hasn't Tabata protocol been shown to increase the VO2 peak by 14%?

Isn't that by far the cheaper and easier solution?

I mean, I can see why this would work, but if I can sprint for a few minutes and get similar results, hell even half the results, isn't that a better option?
i don't know, i haven't read many studies on tabata...

i know it works though, as i've done it quite a few times (tabata)...

now that we've been using the tent for awhile, i should probably update this thread. thanks for bringing it back up...

my grappling conditioning is out of control. i had surgery so i had a big layoff last year, but my cardio is back to old levels, even though i've only been back to full speed sparring for about 2 months or so. i'm stronger and more apt to going for longer periods of time than before, but my recovery isn't as fast. i'm usually sore longer, but when i completely heal, i feel strangely well???...???...

my brother sleeps in the tent, and i use the exercise mask. i'll go up to about 10 or 11k and ride my bike trainer for about 20 to 30 minutes. i'll do drills, speed tempos, and sometimes just casual riding. i've had workouts on that mask that have been so intense that i've not been able to stay awake for the rest of the day, i've had the shits, and i've been so knackered that i've been sorta confused for minutes at a time. there was one day that i did about 45 minutes of hard tempo riding at 11k, and i couldn't stay awake the rest of the day, and i had to miss dinner and bjj practice b/c of it...

b/c of that day, my legs were so sore that i could barely walk for about 5 days afterwards, and my hams and quads had an unusual weakness to them. i've been sore before, but this was something completely different. i've since then learned to respect that damn machine, and i'll never be brave against it again...

shit, sometimes i'll just put the mask on and watch some tv while i just pedal away on the trainer...

to be honest, you run a risk of overtraining with that machine. your recovery times are cut back, so you gotta be careful with it. my brother has been shaving time off his 40k time trials like crazy. he's getting out of control on his bike, and he said that he could feel a difference in his turnover rate b/c of the machine. his cadence has increased, and he's doing it in a harder gear, without feeling any power lag behind the pedal stroke. for those that aren't cyclists, that's a big deal...

my grappling wind is better too. if anything, i got back to competition shape much faster while using the machine. i'm in the arnold's on march 3rd, so we'll see how the competition feels....

would i buy one myself? maybe when i get out of med school, done with residency, and i have some money to blow, i might buy one. my brother has a ton of money, so that's why he bought one. to someone who might want to save up to get one: i wouldn't unless you are trying to get on the usa cycling team or something. it makes a big deal, but it's not something to fuck around with. that damn thing will whip your ass if you let it, and it's done it to me...
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i'd rather sleep in my bed and get less results lol. glad you put it out for the world to see tho so people can make the choice
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So what happens if the power goes out while your asleep? Does the tent have enough volume to hold enough oxygen to tide you over if you don't wake up for 8 hours?

I'd spring for one of those computer back up power supplies if I was willing to slam down several grand for the tent.
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:57 AM   #38 (permalink)

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i don't know, i haven't read many studies on tabata...

i know it works though, as i've done it quite a few times (tabata)...
The info I have shows that when the results were scientifically measured on tabata protocol (20-10 * 8), after several months, the VO2 max was increased by 14% and the anaerobic endurance went up by 28%.

This doesn't mean that these are average values, by no means, but it's good enough for me.

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my grappling conditioning is out of control. i had surgery so i had a big layoff last year, but my cardio is back to old levels, even though i've only been back to full speed sparring for about 2 months or so. i'm stronger and more apt to going for longer periods of time than before, but my recovery isn't as fast. i'm usually sore longer, but when i completely heal, i feel strangely well???...???...
It very well could be lowered anaerobic endurance. You don't run out of gas as quickly, but your muscles break down more under pressure.
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i'm in the arnold's on march 3rd, so we'll see how the competition feels....
Polynikes do you by chance train at the Relson school in Columbus?
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Polynikes do you by chance train at the Relson school in Columbus?
no, i'm at the relson school in savannah, ga

you going to the arnold's?

eeg, thanks for that...

14% is a big number dude.

i'd be comfortable just doing that in itself for conditioning, but if my brother wants to buy that tent i'm damn sure going to use it...

like i said, if i had the money to piss away i'd get one, but i wouldn't save up for one...

i used to do something similar to tabata while wearing my military gas mask. that was cool, and it worked...
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