Muscles locking during swim

[Valgarv]

First thing: I know this is caused by over training so don't bother telling me that.

Background: I've been training again for about a month and have wanted to introduce swimming into my training for years. Two days ago I did an intense sprint session (2.5 miles) so I decided to make yesterday my first swim day. After flopping around in the pool for about 150-200 meters both my calves locked up on me and there was no way I could continue. Today I can barely move due to the pain in my left calve.

Situation: I was hoping to swim 500-1500 meters on days when I need more time to recover before running. The swim technique I'm trying to use is freestyle. I thought swimming would be hard on the arms and thighs... calves never really crossed my mind but I don't know how to swim so that doesn't surprise me.

Is this swimming a bad choice for recovery from running?
Should I try to use a different swim technique?

[BayAreaGuy]

1. Did you loosten your body properly before swimming?

2. Did you warm up before swimming?

3. Is the water really cold or something?




Or maybe when you swim you put a lot of emphasis on your calves. Try loostening your calves before swimming (without stretching, rotate your foot) and if that doesn't work try a different form if possible.


Long time ago my calves used to start hurting and then get really sore after, and that was because of overstretching before running, I've since done dynamic stretching before any workout and found it's a lot better than static stretching- static stretching after the workout.


best of luck

[BayAreaGuy]

btw, what do you mean by "recover before running"?



Also you say "I thought swimming would be hard on the arms and thighs."

Whenever I swim I've never really noticed anything on my calves. Calves should be used just to keep your feet straigth so you can push the water- you should be using your arms to basically pull yourself (when they're infront of you) and then push your body (when your arms are at your sides)- keep your hands in a cup shape. Your thighs should be doing a similar motion as running to push your body forward.


hope that helps at all


cheers

[liquid!]

Your calf probably cramped because it was fatigued and swimming was novel stimuli. The only cramps typical to swimming are abzors and bottom of the foot.

Try some eggbeaters with your hands out of the water. Great for your hips. Maybe 1min on/ 30rest x5

If you want to make it a more strenuous workout try to hold an object (diving brick) just above the surface of the water.


This video is elementary, but she explains eggbeaters.
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This is way more than you'd ever want to know about eggbeaters.
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Mix some breaststroke and bust out the kickboard too.

[Valgarv]

Originally Posted by BayAreaGuy

1. Did you loosten your body properly before swimming?

2. Did you warm up before swimming?

3. Is the water really cold or something?

1. I thought so but I targeted my arms mostly.
2. Dynamic stretching is usually my warm up before exercising.
3. It didn't seem unusually cold or anything but I wouldn't really know since I don't normally swim.

Originally Posted by BayAreaGuy

Long time ago my calves used to start hurting and then get really sore after, and that was because of overstretching before running, I've since done dynamic stretching before any workout and found it's a lot better than static stretching- static stretching after the workout

Sounds like you've read Stretching Scientifically. That book completely changed my pre and post workout routines overnight.

Originally Posted by BayAreaGuy

btw, what do you mean by "recover before running"?

After running hard sprints I have to take at least one day off before running, riding and most other forms of cardio. I was thinking I might be able to use swimming to train during that recovery period.

[Valgarv]

Originally Posted by liquid!

Your calf probably cramped because it was fatigued and swimming was novel stimuli. The only cramps typical to swimming are abzors and bottom of the foot.

Try some eggbeaters with your hands out of the water. Great for your hips. Maybe 1min on/ 30rest x5

If you want to make it a more strenuous workout try to hold an object (diving brick) just above the surface of the water.


This video is elementary, but she explains eggbeaters.
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This is way more than you'd ever want to know about eggbeaters.
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Mix some breaststroke and bust out the kickboard too.

Eggbeaters look like they take a lot of coordination to pull off. I didn't know there were three different ways to tread water. That's going to take some practice. I'm sure i'll be providing some entertainment for people at the pool.

Squats, Deads and Cleans are core for S&P.
What are the core techniques to focus on for swimming?

[fufu]

It very well may not be from overtraining.

It could be some of the following -
improper warm up
imbalance of electrolytes
knotting of fascia tissue

Have you looked into foam rolling before(myofascial release therapy) ? I used to have the same problem while swimming. I also used to get very painful calve cramps in the middle of the night. I've been foam rolling for a couple years now and I haven't had one since.

[Sean.]

Have someone who has swam competitively watch you swim and have them give you pointers on what you are doing wrong. Its almost impossible to tell you why you are cramping without seeing what you are doing, much in the same way its hard to tell someone their technique on a lift is wrong without seeing them do it. All I can tell you is to hydrate yourself more and stretch your calves specifically before swimming, and the bulk of your power in swimming comes from your core. Abs, obliques, lower back etc. are where true speed and strength come from, its why you will never see a decent competitive swimmer with anything less than a 6-pack.

Overall I'd just say take your time with it, just because you can run 15 miles or lift for hours on end doesn't mean you will be able to swim well. 200 yards or so is fine, just don't try and muscle your way through the water.

[JinKazama]

did u eat before getting in the water?

i know its an old adage and it might not apply in this situation but its something to think about

[ahheadlock]

Aside from all the rest of considerations like warming up and proper hydration and so forth... how good is your technique? You really need to spend some time getting it right when you first start swimming.

When i first started swimming it used to thrash my legs because i was putting all this effort into kicking. It wasn't until later on with a few friendly pointers from my fellow pool dwellers that i realized that your legs should almost just be trailing behind you, with short and gentle kicks. Your core and upper body does most of the work and you should try and stay as relaxed as possible in between pulls. Also another mistake i made, is that my legs would drag and sink and then tend to do more work than they should. A good way someone told me to correct this was to 'swim downhill'. Stick a foam pad in between your thighs for buoyancy and do a couple laps and you'll see how much better it feels.

Take that with a grain of salt cause i'm far from an excellant swimmer, i'm just saying what has helped me improve. If anyone can correct me, please do - the more i can learn the better.