which is more relevant to MMA?

gjmccag · 05-03-2007, 12:26 AM

ok, heres the problem, used to smoke (a lot) up untill a few months ago. My cardio has always been a little on the weak side even when wrestling for four years in h.s. (this was before smoking). Right when i quit smoking i did a lot of running for about a month and then stopped workin out for a couple months. I am about a month back into working out and trying to improve my cardio. when i was running a couple months back, i was down to 2 miles in about 16 minutes. now that i am back doin cardio i have been using the stairmaster for a 1/2 hour doing 5 min high intensity 5 min lower intensity. according to the stairmaster i am up to burning almost 600 calories in 1/2 hr (i am trying to lose weight also btw).

So i decided to use the treadmill today, and i can barely run 1 1/2 miles in 15 minutes (sucks i know) and didnt even burn 400 calories in a 1/2 hour (i ran 15 min and powerwalked 15 min on a steep incline). i almost feel like my running form sucks, because it almost feels awkward, would this make it harder cardiowise then it should be in comparison to the stairmaster? Also, why is it that HIIT hasnt improved my running time? Also, why do i burn more calories on the stairmaster with what seems like the same amount of exertion cardio-wise? Finally, which would be better in terms of grappling/mma and losing weight?

Any ideas??

Bamaispriceless · 05-03-2007, 12:33 AM

Run sprints. It's much more sport specific.

Polynikes · 05-03-2007, 12:49 AM

I wouldn't start sprinting until your body is in good enough condition to handle it. Right now, you'd get 2 or 3 sprints in and then crash...

Waste of a workout IMO...

Honestly, you're not in any kind of condition right now to worry about what is more beneficial to MMA...

You just need to get in good enough shape to be able to train period, so just stick with it and don't quit this time...

But if I were you, I'd hold off on the sprints until you're ready for them...

gjmccag · 05-03-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Polynikes

I wouldn't start sprinting until your body is in good enough condition to handle it. Right now, you'd get 2 or 3 sprints in and then crash...

Waste of a workout IMO...

Honestly, you're not in any kind of condition right now to worry about what is more beneficial to MMA...

You just need to get in good enough shape to be able to train period, so just stick with it and don't quit this time...

But if I were you, I'd hold off on the sprints until you're ready for them...

the thing is though, that i can go three five min rounds in no-gi and i am gassing at the end of the last two, but im not completely useless (it will hinder me though, that is why im trying to improve my cardio)

Also, what is more important for buring calories, getting the heart rate up (aka running on the tread mill) or something more strenuous concerning muscular endurance (aka stairmaster)?

Bamaispriceless · 05-03-2007, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Polynikes

I wouldn't start sprinting until your body is in good enough condition to handle it. Right now, you'd get 2 or 3 sprints in and then crash...

Waste of a workout IMO...

Honestly, you're not in any kind of condition right now to worry about what is more beneficial to MMA...

You just need to get in good enough shape to be able to train period, so just stick with it and don't quit this time...

But if I were you, I'd hold off on the sprints until you're ready for them...

I can see your point, but I recently read an article on T-nation by one of their reputable writers (I'll try to find the link) that stated that the logic behind doing LSD before sprinting is flawed, and that starting out sprinting could be more beneficial. In any case though, sprinting is an excellent conditioning tool, and if you can't sprint now, then that should be the goal

Brendon Katz · 05-03-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bamaispriceless

I can see your point, but I recently read an article on T-nation by one of their reputable writers (I'll try to find the link) that stated that the logic behind doing LSD before sprinting is flawed, and that starting out sprinting could be more beneficial. In any case though, sprinting is an excellent conditioning tool, and if you can't sprint now, then that should be the goal

im pretty sure that article was torn to pieces on this board somewhere. try a search ?

Bamaispriceless · 05-03-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by parallax86

im pretty sure that article was torn to pieces on this board somewhere. try a search ?

Wow, I somehow missed that. I'll do a search, but I take back my advice in the meantime.

**MikeMartial** · 05-03-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Polynikes

I wouldn't start sprinting until your body is in good enough condition to handle it. Right now, you'd get 2 or 3 sprints in and then crash...

Waste of a workout IMO...

Honestly, you're not in any kind of condition right now to worry about what is more beneficial to MMA...

You just need to get in good enough shape to be able to train period, so just stick with it and don't quit this time...

But if I were you, I'd hold off on the sprints until you're ready for them...

While I'm usually all over the LSD-blows-vs-HIIT, listen to this man. He knows his conditioning. Build a strong aerobic base before you toss in some HIIT.

Polynikes · 05-03-2007, 09:22 PM

I hate LSD as well, but my all time favorite running IS for distance, but conducted at as fast a pace as I can handle for that distance...

So, if I'm going to run 5k, I'll jog for about a mile to get warmed up, then I'll start my 5k and run it as fast as I can...

I haven't done a "TRUE" LSD run is years to be honest with you, as all of my distance is covered at the fastest clip I can handle for that distance...

Well, that and interval running is what I do...

But IMO, you run because you have to get somewhere in as short a period of time as possible, so I try to follow up on that idea...

Think of the Greek that ran from Marathon to Athens so he could tell everyone the Greeks won the day. That man died because of that run, so all of you guys that are in shape enough to run faster but don't need to step it up and start putting out...

As for the thread starter, what he needs to be doing right now is basic jogging. Seriously, just slowly jog for a while until you get ready to pick up the pace. You'll know when that time is here, so until then, just do a slow jog.

You need to be able to constantly move for an extended period of time without getting too tired. Besides, your anaerobic system won't do shit for you at this point...

Mike, thanks for the vote of confidence my man...

gjmccag · 05-03-2007, 10:18 PM

well, i ran 2 miles in 19 minutes today on the treadmill, with a five min warmup and five min cool down. It was better then yesterday, i pushed myself pretty good and got the heart rate WAY up there. Poly and other posters, what should i set as a goal for LSD in terms of jogging as to when to move to more advanced cardio (HIIT, etc). should i keep at the 20 min interval and try to improve distance, try to go for a longer period of time, or do i need to slow down and not push myself as much right now?

Thanks for the help everyone