Mike Boyle on Aerobic Training

[stewy37]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

I don`t want to be too controversial but when a coach says "such and such fighter couldn`t do 8 BW pull-ups when he started training with me, even tho he was already a champ" it really makes you wonder about the value of the guys training methods as opposed to the fighter`s innate talent.

I get your point, but I think if you're referring to Chaimberg and GSP, I think you could pick a better example. From everything I've seen, Chaimberg's methods all seem legit, and GSP does seem to be stronger and in better shape every time we see him. Still, there are plenty of other coaches out there that are guilty of what you've said. In fact, I'd venture to say it's a rather large percentage.

[JoNo]

Originally Posted by Revok

Didn't the bandwagon of HIIT-centrism disappear over the horizon sometime around 2007?

Much like everything, once it hits main stream and every Joe Schmo trainer hears about something and tries to put their twist on it, unfotunately it becomes watered down and then loses its credibility.

HIIT is still very much an effective way to improve both anaerobic and aerobic energy supplying systems.

This article in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise Effects of moderate-intensity endurance and high-intensity intermittent training on anaerobic capacity and VO2max.. Realy shows some great numbers.

[Revok]

Originally Posted by JoNo

Much like everything, once it hits main stream and every Joe Schmo trainer hears about something and tries to put their twist on it, unfotunately it becomes watered down and then loses its credibility.

HIIT is still very much an effective way to improve both anaerobic and aerobic energy supplying systems.

This article in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise Effects of moderate-intensity endurance and high-intensity intermittent training on anaerobic capacity and VO2max.. Realy shows some great numbers.

I'm not disparaging HIIT at all, just the opinion that it's the be-all-and-end-all of conditioning as Boyle and so many other halfwit populist coaches propose.

[JoNo]

Originally Posted by Revok

I'm not disparaging HIIT at all, just the opinion that it's the be-all-and-end-all of conditioning as Boyle and so many other halfwit populist coaches propose.

You're absolutely right.. It's hard to say anything in the sports performance realm is end-all be-all.. Everyone is different physiologically and biomechanically.. If everyone trained the same out of some cookbook performance recipe then there wouldn't be the athletes that seem to stand above the rest.

[Jake Martin]

Has Boyle ever looked in shape? Any time I see Boyle I wonder how anyone can look at him and think "I want to train how that guy is training!"

(edit: And I know, looks != performance, but I know guys who barely train and look better at his age)

Though I've not read much of his and Cressey's stuff outside of T-nation (and these two vids) but I'm not all that wowed. At least guys like Waterbury and Thib LOOK like they know what they're doing...

[zere0wn]

Cressey deadlifts 650 at 165lbs

[Jake Martin]

Originally Posted by zere0wn

Cressey deadlifts 650 at 165lbs

Ah that does sound familiar, I knew one of them had a nice DL from a pic I saw on T-nation once. Does Boyle have any feats he can claim, or has he ever posted numbers, done meets, or anything that's verifiable?

[Steakeater]

Originally Posted by Jake Martin

Though I've not read much of his and Cressey's stuff outside of T-nation (and these two vids) but I'm not all that wowed. At least guys like Waterbury and Thib LOOK like they know what they're doing...

I dont know about Sexybury, but Thibs is on drugs ever since he started bodybuilding

but yeah, Cressey is someone people will always listen to because of his merits

[Steakeater]

Originally Posted by Jake Martin

Does Boyle have any feats he can claim, or has he ever posted numbers, done meets, or anything that's verifiable?

Boyle markets himself was "functional strength coach" (his book is called functional strength) because he trains athletes.

Now thats obviously a big crapshoot because the athlete can excell through individual skill in the sport, while Boyle can take credit for that.

Im not sure of any PLer or BBer that Boyle has trained though. I could be wrong

[zere0wn]

Yea I dunno of anything Boyle himself has accomplished. Here's some testimonials from his athletes though:

Pro Athlete Testimonials | Mike Boyle Strength & Conditioning | 781-729-1333

No one really jumps out at you but he does have pro athletes