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05-29-2008, 03:59 PM
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The post was directed towards fighters who have a problem with their conditioning, not just general beginners who are just getting into training. While I would agree that there is a time and a place for "generalized" training, if there is something wrong with your conditioning leve and it's not what it could be, then obviously there is a specific problem or problems that needs to be addressed.
The point of my advice is that generalized conditioning programs rarely address the specific needs of the indidviudual. Also, it is often the case that there is more than one specific area that needs improvement. Just because I'm advocating targeted training doesn't mean I'm only suggesting to train only one aspect of conditioning.
Most fighters and athletes in general certainly have more than one area in need of improvement, but the whole idea of periodization and progression is that they need to be trained in the proper sequence for optimal development.
This is the exact same principle as develping your fighting skills.When you're a beginner you will improve by training everything, but as you progress you need to start identifying what you need to work on the most and focus your training around those things. I don't know any coach who would advocate training nothing but general MMA all the time
Most fighters are simply not aware that conditioning is a puzzle that comes from many pieces and in order to maximize your conditioning you have to know how to identify what the pieces are, and which ones are the weakest. This is the same thing as breaking down MMA into different pieces like Muay Thai, Grappling, Kickboxing, etc. and training them in pieces.
You don't have to hire me to understand how to figure out where your weakest links are, but you need to understand more about how the body produces energy. There are a lot of simple tests you can do looking at your heart rates during activity and rest, muscular strength and endurance abilities, etc.
When you know what the norms are and the ranges a fighter should be in, it then becomes easy to identify where you are lacking the most and where your weak links in the conditioning chain are. I've worked with many fighters over the years and have developed standards for a variety of tests that will tell you precisely where your weak links are.
I'll post more on this later.
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05-29-2008, 04:55 PM
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TS when you make a first post on a web site, especially if you're critical of the stickies that long time members here have worked hard to put together; maybe you ought to break the ice with laid back posts first and establish youreself. Otherwise you come off as:
Main Entry: overbearing
Function: adjective
Date: 1614
1 a: tending to overwhelm : overpowering b: decisively important : dominant
2: harshly and haughtily arrogant
synonyms see proud
— over·bear·ing·ly \-iŋ-lē\ adverb
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05-29-2008, 05:11 PM
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EZA i don't think anyone was disagreeing for what you say nor does it seem that you don't agree with what i said. This is a forum not a one on one S&C session so there are going to be limits on what can be discussed practically.
There is a welth of information on everything from periodization to different workout ideas, all are usefull but it's down to the individual user to take this information and no pun intended run with it. Forums are for discussion and idea's where people are free to help themselves and apply it to their training to help better their performance, if you's like to show people a way to help indentify these weaknesses and correct them that's great.
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05-29-2008, 06:15 PM
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I would also add that not sounding like a condescending douche will get you a lot farther than sounding like...well, a condescending douche.
"I am a Strength & Conditioning Coach and have worked with many high level fighters over the last 5 years (probably more than just about every other strength coach out there)"
Translation: "I'm pretty much a big deal.
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05-29-2008, 07:10 PM
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So i need to figure out what my weakness is and make it better.....thanx for the tips. LOL
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05-29-2008, 07:46 PM
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My sandbags, sledge hammers, and burpees are doing just fine.
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05-29-2008, 08:07 PM
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Assuming that I have a conditioning problem is pretty presumptious as well. I've gotten out of conditioning exactly what I put into it which is what I expected. I'm allways looking to improve not fix something that some dude who has never even met me said is broke.
I mean think about it. Guy comes on here challenging everything, which is fine, but he's saying were naive while at the same time expecting to convince us to think his way based on a few paragraphs written on a forum board. TS needs to go on Rosstraining, read all of Ross' stuff, learn how challenging convential wisdom is really done, then come back here and try again.
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05-29-2008, 08:47 PM
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I was just trying to be helpful and offer an alternative view to the usual "let's do 1000 reps of some bodyweight exercise" and some tabata sprints approach to mma conditioning. I was not planning on doing this in a single post, but rather hoped it would stimulate discussion and questions. Apparently everybody on this forum seems to have conditioning all figured out.
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05-29-2008, 10:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRT6
TS when you make a first post on a web site, especially if you're critical of the stickies that long time members here have worked hard to put together; maybe you ought to break the ice with laid back posts first and establish youreself. Otherwise you come off as:
Main Entry: overbearing
Function: adjective
Date: 1614
1 a: tending to overwhelm : overpowering b: decisively important : dominant
2: harshly and haughtily arrogant
synonyms see proud
— over·bear·ing·ly \-iŋ-lē\ adverb
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or he can arrive, show he knows his shit and not waste our time with posts like these
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05-29-2008, 11:38 PM
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In order to receive anything one must first empty one's cup.
It seems that the TS's cup is full, however. Of balls.
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