Hate Running, but love rolling. Advice?

[carsayzylum]

If you find running boring it might also be where you run. I used to run the mile and 2 mile for track in high school, but finally quit senior year because I was sick of running around a circle (oval...). Now I run around my neighborhood or on the paths at different parks, I find I can go farther because I'm not thinking, "Ok 2 more laps and I'll hit 3 miles, wow thats a lot... I'm sick of looking at the gym, can I quit now?"
That said, my instructors always say the best way to get in shape for fighting is to fight. We do conditioning drills in class, but they're usually combined with sparring drills...

[nck]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

Ok, doing weights for cardio is just very inefficient. You won`t be able to do enough volume to really work on anything other than anaerobic endurance. The downside of that is that if you do things like complexes too often you may end up developing mucles too dependent on the anaerobic lactic energy system. What this means is that you`ll eventually end up gassing quicker.

Intervals can be good but then again you need to have a certain aerobic base before you do them. Also, you need to know what interval protocol to use and why.

I guess circuits would be good. I don`t like them that much but that`s just me. I find they just make you tired and give you DOMS just like rolling but they don`t teach you anything. So I prefer rolling. Then again, alot of good fighters do circuits all the time and they seem to be working for them.

Then, doing clean+press for cardio may not be such a good idea. Not only for the reasons above but also because it`s a technical lift. So once you start getting fatigued your technique starts getting sloppy and it just becomes too easy to get injured. Using kettlebells may be easier, but again you`ll need more than 10 minutes to develop anything. And the Magic 300 workout I have no idea what it is.

One last thing. Yes, running isn`t sports specific. But weight lifting isn`t sports specific either. On the other hand rolling is, hence I said in my first post that I think it`s a very efficient way of doing steady state cardio.

see Phil Baroni for example, lol.

[Onq]

Originally Posted by nck

see Phil Baroni for example, lol.

Hah!
Oh no, you didnt!
OK, see Wand (weights and circuit), Fedor (kettlebells and circuit), Couture (weights and circuit), Brock (weights and circuit), Mirko (weights and circuit)... should I continue?
And those are the MMA. Now, the TS is asking about grappling so lets check with the grapplers: Monson (weights and circuit), Rhadi Ferguson (weights and circuit), Nastula (weights and circuit), Ishii (weights and circuit), Karelin (weights and circuit), all the generations of Bulgarian wrestling, sambo and judo national teams (weights and circuit)...

[DeathTyrant]

Originally Posted by BayAreaGuy

The thing about running is the first 10-15 minutes or so is the hardest and most unconfertable part.

I agree wholeheartedly, I hate it starting off. I feel best in the last couple of hundred metres.

[Bama Zulu]

Originally Posted by Onq

10 minutes of tabata training with weights will do miracles for your cardio and also will burn a lot of fat
Magic 300:
25 pull ups
50 push ups
50 box jumps
50 deadlifts
50 russian twists
50 clean and press
25 pull ups
I do that in 16 minutes.

How will you burn fat with working out for just 10 minutes? It doesn't work that way

[paolo27th]

Originally Posted by Onq

Hah!
Oh no, you didnt!
OK, see Wand (weights and circuit), Fedor (kettlebells and circuit), Couture (weights and circuit), Brock (weights and circuit), Mirko (weights and circuit)... should I continue?
And those are the MMA. Now, the TS is asking about grappling so lets check with the grapplers: Monson (weights and circuit), Rhadi Ferguson (weights and circuit), Nastula (weights and circuit), Ishii (weights and circuit), Karelin (weights and circuit), all the generations of Bulgarian wrestling, sambo and judo national teams (weights and circuit)...

You know what my problem is? Is that you just come on the conditioning forum and you just regurgitated some trite advice that we`ve already seen and dismissed before around here. Had you lurked around a bit before posting you`d see we`ve already gone past this discussion.

Anyways, of the guys you mentioned, Wand really didn`t show good conditioning last saturday and Mirko never has. Couture also does alot of distance work and Monson I never knew was famous for his conditioning. Also, I`ve never seen the other guys fighting but Fedor admittedly runs 5 freakin` miles a day!!!!

Plus I`m sure the grapplers you mentioned do loads of rolling so they do obviously work their conditioning that way too.

***EDIT***
Also I`m not sure you are saying the same thing anymore. I not dismissing either weights nor circuits. Both can be useful training tools if used properly. What I`m arguing against is the har-brained idea of doing 10 minutes of a highly technical lift for cardio.

[Podgorny]

Practicing on a heavy bag, with heavy gloves is a great alternative to running as it get's you moving around just as much. As well as exercising your arms and your shoulders and could definitely give you an up in the strength department too. Keep's you active, has a good cardio result's, and works on your back, shoulder, and arm muscles.

[Nocturnal]

Instead of running long range try HIIT. You can be done within 20 minutes. Other then that, roll more.

[Onq]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

You know what my problem is? Is that you just come on the conditioning forum and you just regurgitated some trite advice that we`ve already seen and dismissed before around here. Had you lurked around a bit before posting you`d see we`ve already gone past this discussion.

Anyways, of the guys you mentioned, Wand really didn`t show good conditioning last saturday and Mirko never has. Couture also does alot of distance work and Monson I never knew was famous for his conditioning. Also, I`ve never seen the other guys fighting but Fedor admittedly runs 5 freakin` miles a day!!!!

Plus I`m sure the grapplers you mentioned do loads of rolling so they do obviously work their conditioning that way too.

***EDIT***
Also I`m not sure you are saying the same thing anymore. I not dismissing either weights nor circuits. Both can be useful training tools if used properly. What I`m arguing against is the har-brained idea of doing 10 minutes of a highly technical lift for cardio.

Actually Im still saying the same thing.
About the fighters, did you answer selectively? None of them is famous for gassing, all of them are or were champs! Check closely the grapplers.
Karelin:
YouTube - Alexander "The Experiment" Karelin
Rhadi Ferguson:
YouTube - Rhadi Ferguson Professional Trailer
Ishii:
YouTube - Judo 2007 Beijing Teams Ishii (JPN) - Bouaichaoui (ALG) [+100kg]
Armen Nazarian:
YouTube - Armen Nazarian Olimpic Champion
Nastula:
YouTube - Pawe? Nastula Judo HL
About the 10 minutes:
Tabata method

[paolo27th]

Originally Posted by Onq

Actually Im still saying the same thing.
About the fighters, did you answer selectively? None of them is famous for gassing, all of them are or were champs! Check closely the grapplers.
Karelin:
YouTube - Alexander "The Experiment" Karelin
Rhadi Ferguson:
YouTube - Rhadi Ferguson Professional Trailer
Ishii:
YouTube - Judo 2007 Beijing Teams Ishii (JPN) - Bouaichaoui (ALG) [+100kg]
Armen Nazarian:
YouTube - Armen Nazarian Olimpic Champion
Nastula:
YouTube - Pawe? Nastula Judo HL
About the 10 minutes:
Tabata method

So theese guys have good conditioning because they do complexes? Do you actually know their complete training programs since they were children?

You know, now that I think of it I once trained a world champ myself. Got him to do a little circuit I`d designed (not as bad as the one you suggested). Guess what, he won his fight and was brilliant in the process. But was my circuit really to thank for it? When he`d never lost a fight before he never lost one since? Really? Doing my circuit a few times made a difference and not all the rolling/pad/bagwork/sparring he`d been doind for hours everyday for years?

Anyways, I may be wasting my pinkies arguing with you. I mean what`s the deal with Tabatas? You know, there`s much more to conditioning than just "doing hard shit for time". Also, tell me, if you do weights for cardio what do you do for strenght? Heavy running?