Hate Running, but love rolling. Advice?

[Onq]

If your trainer wants you to run for cardio purposes, than you should explain him that cardio can be done even better with weights, intervals and circuits.

[paolo27th]

Originally Posted by Onq

If your trainer wants you to run for cardio purposes, than you should explain him that cardio can be done even better with weights, intervals and circuits.

Thanks for the useless advice...

Anyways, Oblivian, I dunno how hard you run or how easy you roll but I usually find rolling way harder than running. Do you start from knees by any chance? I was actually going to suggest the TS to start from running and then as he builds up his stamina bit by bit switch to rolling.

Also the thing about stamina is being able to pace yourself. You might have great conditioning but if you just blow it in the first minute of a match it becomes worthless. Now, pacing yourself in running is pretty easy while in grappling it`s much more difficult. Doing more rolling is going to teach you to listen to your body while you grapple and that`s a huge advantage.

That being said you may still want to do running or other conditioning exercises to target stecific aspects if your conditioning for example to address a particular weakness.

[nck]

Better cardio with weights, wtf? ha.

I have the same problem, I just can't seem to motivate myself to run. Instead I'll end up jump roping for like 2-3 5 minute sessions. I know it's not the same, but running is just such a damn chore. It's also so boring, especially by yourself.

The only way I can actually get a decent run in is with a partner. It gives me something to focus on, ( talking, etc. ) as well as it's someone to motivate you to push it that little extra bit and vice versa.

[Onq]

Hm, whats with the negativity here?
The guy is training BJJ and his coach is convinced that he can improve his cardio (for BJJ) with running, which is the same as improving wrestling cardio with boxing!
How can you do cardio for grappling with weights? A simple clean and press, executed explosively on singles with 10 seconds intervals in between reps for 10 minutes.
Using kettlebells is an option too.
Magic 300 is a great routine with weights as well...

[paolo27th]

Originally Posted by Onq

Hm, whats with the negativity here?
The guy is training BJJ and his coach is convinced that he can improve his cardio (for BJJ) with running, which is the same as improving wrestling cardio with boxing!
How can you do cardio for grappling with weights? A simple clean and press, executed explosively on singles with 10 seconds intervals in between reps for 10 minutes.
Using kettlebells is an option too.
Magic 300 is a great routine with weights as well...

Dude, you`re digging yourself a conditioning grave.

[Onq]

Could you explain me why?

[paolo27th]

Ok, doing weights for cardio is just very inefficient. You won`t be able to do enough volume to really work on anything other than anaerobic endurance. The downside of that is that if you do things like complexes too often you may end up developing mucles too dependent on the anaerobic lactic energy system. What this means is that you`ll eventually end up gassing quicker.

Intervals can be good but then again you need to have a certain aerobic base before you do them. Also, you need to know what interval protocol to use and why.

I guess circuits would be good. I don`t like them that much but that`s just me. I find they just make you tired and give you DOMS just like rolling but they don`t teach you anything. So I prefer rolling. Then again, alot of good fighters do circuits all the time and they seem to be working for them.

Then, doing clean+press for cardio may not be such a good idea. Not only for the reasons above but also because it`s a technical lift. So once you start getting fatigued your technique starts getting sloppy and it just becomes too easy to get injured. Using kettlebells may be easier, but again you`ll need more than 10 minutes to develop anything. And the Magic 300 workout I have no idea what it is.

One last thing. Yes, running isn`t sports specific. But weight lifting isn`t sports specific either. On the other hand rolling is, hence I said in my first post that I think it`s a very efficient way of doing steady state cardio.

[Oblivian]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

Anyways, Oblivian, I dunno how hard you run or how easy you roll but I usually find rolling way harder than running. Do you start from knees by any chance? I was actually going to suggest the TS to start from running and then as he builds up his stamina bit by bit switch to rolling.

I'm actually the same way, but I figured it's because I'm normally getting my ass kicked rolling...haha. I was under the assumption that he is already rolling all of the time but his coach is noticing that his cardio is lacking during rolls. I would typically say rolling would be a great way to improve cardio, but if he's already doing that and it's not working, he needs to try something else.

I guess it's hard to say without really knowing specifics. Truthfully, I don't think boredom is an excuse to not run. It's not as if running takes that much time. Pop on some headphones and have at it.

[Onq]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

Ok, doing weights for cardio is just very inefficient. You won`t be able to do enough volume to really work on anything other than anaerobic endurance. The downside of that is that if you do things like complexes too often you may end up developing mucles too dependent on the anaerobic lactic energy system. What this means is that you`ll eventually end up gassing quicker.

Intervals can be good but then again you need to have a certain aerobic base before you do them. Also, you need to know what interval protocol to use and why.

I guess circuits would be good. I don`t like them that much but that`s just me. I find they just make you tired and give you DOMS just like rolling but they don`t teach you anything. So I prefer rolling. Then again, alot of good fighters do circuits all the time and they seem to be working for them.

Then, doing clean+press for cardio may not be such a good idea. Not only for the reasons above but also because it`s a technical lift. So once you start getting fatigued your technique starts getting sloppy and it just becomes too easy to get injured. Using kettlebells may be easier, but again you`ll need more than 10 minutes to develop anything. And the Magic 300 workout I have no idea what it is.

One last thing. Yes, running isn`t sports specific. But weight lifting isn`t sports specific either. On the other hand rolling is, hence I said in my first post that I think it`s a very efficient way of doing steady state cardio.

I dont think you are talking from personal experience, but anyway.
When you grapple, you are working with the opponents weight and thats the different with the striking arts- your condition should be based on lots of lifting, controling and pulling of weights, close to your opponents body weight. The main reason why you gass, should be because you are not able to work with weights.
There is no serious competitor on high level, who wouldnt practice with weights.
The reason why you use oly lifts is because they are compound moves and include the entire body, which is more similar to grappling. You dont need to lift weights, close to the oly records, but enough to practice explosiveness during time, similar to 2-3 rounds of rolling. You can get injured with running as well, so if you really want to develop good condition, learn the lifts tech first and then you can blast away.
If you develop muscles, those muscles will be used to deal with the stress that you put them under, which is the main difference with bodybuilding.
Intervals and circuits are specific training, but thats why the TS is posting here, because he wants to know what is good for him to do. There are lots of those type of protocols in the sticky treads above.
10 minutes of tabata training with weights will do miracles for your cardio and also will burn a lot of fat
Magic 300:
25 pull ups
50 push ups
50 box jumps
50 deadlifts
50 russian twists
50 clean and press
25 pull ups
I do that in 16 minutes.

[paolo27th]

Originally Posted by Onq

I dont think you are talking from personal experience, but anyway.
When you grapple, you are working with the opponents weight and thats the different with the striking arts- your condition should be based on lots of lifting, controling and pulling of weights, close to your opponents body weight. The main reason why you gass, should be because you are not able to work with weights.
There is no serious competitor on high level, who wouldnt practice with weights.
The reason why you use oly lifts is because they are compound moves and include the entire body, which is more similar to grappling. You dont need to lift weights, close to the oly records, but enough to practice explosiveness during time, similar to 2-3 rounds of rolling. You can get injured with running as well, so if you really want to develop good condition, learn the lifts tech first and then you can blast away.
If you develop muscles, those muscles will be used to deal with the stress that you put them under, which is the main difference with bodybuilding.
Intervals and circuits are specific training, but thats why the TS is posting here, because he wants to know what is good for him to do. There are lots of those type of protocols in the sticky treads above.
10 minutes of tabata training with weights will do miracles for your cardio and also will burn a lot of fat
Magic 300:
25 pull ups
50 push ups
50 box jumps
50 deadlifts
50 russian twists
50 clean and press
25 pull ups
I do that in 16 minutes.

If that`s your opinion go for it.