[Oblivian]

Originally Posted by keusegg

yeah its easy to call bullshit on a lot of things
but id rather trust the articles ont-nation.com than sherdoggers.
i lokoed and tried to find it, theres too many articles and i can't remember the date it was posted on
so you can just look yourself.

heavy sets 'murder your entire body' because you are doing them slow
if you explode out, and drop the bar back to your chest as fast as possible, it wont murder you.
people that get pain for a week or so from chest exercises have it because they lowered the bar back to their chest too slow.

If you believed every article you read on strength training, weightlifting, conditioning, etc., then you would have many conflicting beliefs. You'll find articles giving good examples of lifts to do for strength training, then you'll have others advocating curls and leg curls for strength training. Tnation has posted some bullshit articles in the past.
I don't really understand how using a big ball and rolling out is any different from an ab wheel. The movement would still be slow, so can you explain what they are trying to accomplish here?
I also don't understand your logic on DOMS. DOMS is caused by slow movement? Heavy sets "murder your entire body" because it is hard work, as it should be. If we want to follow your logic, can you explain why I get DOMS from burpees and running? I'm not moving slow on any of those.

[XTrainer]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

It isn't just plain soreness. They just drain all my energy.
I did them on Tuesday actually and yesterday I could hardly get out of bed.
And no, there's no other exercise that messes me up so much.
I assume you don't have a problem with them.

I still don't get what the problem is. Let's say you're just barely strong enough to squat 300lb for 5 sets of 5 reps. The next day, you will be sore, tired, drained, and so forth.

Once you're strong enough to squat 300lbs for 5 sets of 10 reps, 5 sets of 5 at 300 isn't going to make you sore/stimulate adaptation anymore.

You only have two viable options. Either you continue to do roll outs (and other stuff) and eventually develop better strength and work capacity so 5x5 does not kill you, or simply stop doing them.

And yes, I find standing roll outs tough as well. As simple set of 10 has me breathing heavily, changing colors, etc. As it should. But no, they don't "drain" me for days.

[jrocc]

Originally Posted by Ian Coe

Umm...I only want to say man up....so....ummm


work on it and the drain might go away


MAN UP







had to

You cannot tell a man that can do standing rollouts to man up. That shit is brutal

[paolo27th]

Originally Posted by XTrainer

I still don't get what the problem is. Let's say you're just barely strong enough to squat 300lb for 5 sets of 5 reps. The next day, you will be sore, tired, drained, and so forth.

Once you're strong enough to squat 300lbs for 5 sets of 10 reps, 5 sets of 5 at 300 isn't going to make you sore/stimulate adaptation anymore.

You only have two viable options. Either you continue to do roll outs (and other stuff) and eventually develop better strength and work capacity so 5x5 does not kill you, or simply stop doing them.

And yes, I find standing roll outs tough as well. As simple set of 10 has me breathing heavily, changing colors, etc. As it should. But no, they don't "drain" me for days.

Someone suggested I do them more often but at lower reps/sets. I'll probably try that for now.
But I don't want to give up just yet. I'm starting to really like them. Maybe I just love the pain or maybe it's just the fact that nobody else in my gym does them and that makes me feel tougher than everyone.
Hopefully they won't mess me up like that forever.

[Oblivian]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

Someone suggested I do them more often but at lower reps/sets. I'll probably try that for now.
But I don't want to give up just yet. I'm starting to really like them. Maybe I just love the pain or maybe it's just the fact that nobody else in my gym does them and that makes me feel tougher than everyone.
Hopefully they won't mess me up like that forever.

How much rest do you have between sets? I normally do 5 sets of 10 but I do them while stretching at the end of a workout. This means I'm getting 50 of them in but in 20 minutes. Are you doing other ab work the same day? I also only do them on days when I'm not doing other ab work.

[XTrainer]

Originally Posted by paolo27th

Someone suggested I do them more often but at lower reps/sets. I'll probably try that for now.
But I don't want to give up just yet. I'm starting to really like them. Maybe I just love the pain or maybe it's just the fact that nobody else in my gym does them and that makes me feel tougher than everyone.
Hopefully they won't mess me up like that forever.

Since this sounds like a work capacity problem as much as anything, more reps and frequency would probably help. Doing high rep, full ROM rollouts from the knees might help as well.