Squats and Vertical Leap?

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by garyleeman2000

Heres my problem with this line of thinking:

1. If an athlete like Troy Polamalu goes on the record and says he squats, deadlifts, OHP etc you will say "Troy is a so strong and explosive because he works out the right way"

Any professional athlete would be somewhat talented or athletic regardless of how he (or she) trains. But what's going to improve their athletic abilities the most? Sound research and experience from any number of people says that weightlifting, done the right way is good.

2. If an athlete like Troy Polamalu goes on the record and says he does things that you dont agree with then you will say "Troy has success despite training incorrectly".

I'd say that instead of doing proper weightlifting he does rediculous stuff. I can't say anything about the rest of his training. Most people here recognize that weightlifting isn't the most important thing when it comes to improving at a sport (unless that sport is a strength sport). So we're only talking about one part of his training.

Also saying that he is having success despite his training implies that you know more about training for his sport than he does. Do you really think he would be a better NFL player if you were training him instead of his current group of people?

I know next to nothing about training for football, and I wouldn't presume to be able to help someone get better at it. But I know something about lifting weights to improve general strength and athleticism, and I know he would be better off we a quality strength coach.

[echohead]

Originally Posted by garyleeman2000

Alright well you do what works for you, and I guess hell do what works for him and we can see who winds up ahead lol.

if someone is a better athlete than you and they workout differently than you, wouldnt you think "hmm I wonder why they're doing that" as opposed to saying "they dont know what theyre doing"

Obviously the dude is doing something right. I mean hes a monster.

Maybe he should start training with you lol.

Maybe NFL strength and training coaches should be fired (the ones who use machines) and be replaced by sherdoggers. When will they learn?!?!

I am not very experienced in the S&P world. But I am 100% sure that the vast majority of strength coaches the world over are idiots and many people build huge amounts of muscle by doing the incorrect workouts.

For example: I know a world champion arm wrestler, and on more than occasion he has told me that squats/deadlifts are stupid. He would then go on to do cable pulldowns of about 50lbs.

This is a man that has incredible strength, but it doesn't mean he is correct.

[Donut62]

*meanwhile, Troy Polamalu counts his money on a throne of naked girls*

[thailandvc]

Originally Posted by Tosa

Any professional athlete would be somewhat talented or athletic regardless of how he (or she) trains. But what's going to improve their athletic abilities the most? Sound research and experience from any number of people says that weightlifting, done the right way is good.

I'd say that instead of doing proper weightlifting he does rediculous stuff. I can't say anything about the rest of his training. Most people here recognize that weightlifting isn't the most important thing when it comes to improving at a sport (unless that sport is a strength sport). So we're only talking about one part of his training.

I know next to nothing about training for football, and I wouldn't presume to be able to help someone get better at it. But I know something about lifting weights to improve general strength and athleticism, and I know he would be better off we a quality strength coach.

wow that is one of the most level-headed response i have heard. good reply. sticking the subject and argument without attacking the poster. you have to be at least 30.

i honestly think once u have your strength foundation. going from a 400lb squat to 500 lb squat will do very little to your sport performance relative to the hours it will take to get there. while doing dynamic/explosive workouts will do wonders.

[Tosa]

Originally Posted by thailandvc

i honestly think once u have your strength foundation. going from a 400lb squat to 500 lb squat will do very little to your sport performance relative to the hours it will take to get there. while doing dynamic/explosive workouts will do wonders.

I don't know about specific numbers, but I know that as someone gets stronger additional strength would make less difference with regards to sports performance. Also at a certain level of strength it can become important for an athlete to train both the amount of force produced but also how quickly it's produced. However this would be different that what's shown in the Troy Polamalu video.

[garyleeman2000]

Originally Posted by thailandvc

wow that is one of the most level-headed response i have heard. good reply. sticking the subject and argument without attacking the poster. you have to be at least 30.

i honestly think once u have your strength foundation. going from a 400lb squat to 500 lb squat will do very little to your sport performance relative to the hours it will take to get there. while doing dynamic/explosive workouts will do wonders.

Makes sense. I guess its like the law of diminishing returns =)

[Zerocrew1984]

Squatting hasn't decreased my vertical but it hasn't improved it as well. Is that weird? I play basketball every now and again so I do test my jumping.

[Ted-P]

Originally Posted by Zerocrew1984

Squatting hasn't decreased my vertical but it hasn't improved it as well. Is that weird? I play basketball every now and again so I do test my jumping.

whats your weight and squat number?