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Old 09-17-2008, 04:29 PM   #1 (permalink)

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squat. bar placement problem!?

because of some rotator cuff issues it´s impossible for me to squat low bar without deep pain in my shoulders, so i had to switch to high bar.

the problem is that i´m already preety quad dominant so i´m having a hard time getting hip drive on the way up, right now i´m squatting 2times a week and doing DL´s once every 6-7 days,

is there any way to tweak the high bar squat to hit the hamstrings more or should i add some more posterior chain stuff?
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Old 09-17-2008, 04:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 09-17-2008, 04:44 PM   #3 (permalink)

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In the words of Jim Wendler, unless youre squatting 500-600lbs youre not quad dominant, youre just weak.

Also, I welcome you to the high-bar militia. Any attempt to defect back to the low-bar infidels will result in you being shot by a Chinese Gold Medalist Sniper.
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Do box squats. Learn to use your posterior chain.

That is, do high bar box squats, preferably with a light weight and some bands, and learn to come off the box by firing your hams/glutes.

It's a technique thing, not a weakness thing.

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Old 09-17-2008, 11:00 PM   #5 (permalink)

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I know it's harder to do squats with a high bar. But why not switch it up sometimes? To me it seems that high bar squats incorporate the quads more than low bar squats. I can do throw up more weight with a low bar squat.

I would like to know the benefits and disadvantages to a high bar squat and a low bar squat. Thanks.
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Old 09-18-2008, 05:34 AM   #6 (permalink)

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because of some rotator cuff issues it´s impossible for me to squat low bar without deep pain in my shoulders, so i had to switch to high bar.

the problem is that i´m already preety quad dominant so i´m having a hard time getting hip drive on the way up, right now i´m squatting 2times a week and doing DL´s once every 6-7 days,

is there any way to tweak the high bar squat to hit the hamstrings more or should i add some more posterior chain stuff?
How deep do you squat? If you throw in additional posterior chain work you will not have a problem.

And how do you know you are quad dominant? Also, how much do you squat?

I seldom use the deadlift at the same time as the squat. One thing I learned from Charles Poliquin is to first provide a base of structural balance and it absolutely works wonders. I usually use the deadlift together with some type of split squat to further focus on low back, glute and hamstring strength. The split squats (done deep) also train the posterior chain but also hit the quads,especially the VMO.

After the posterior chain and VMO prioritization phase mainly using these exercises and variations, I let them squat again. What I noticed is that in 90% of the cases, the weight on the back will feel pretty fucking light as a result of the strengthening phase... and then they will all break squat prs very fast, as the squat poundages increase at a very high rate and so does technique. The more advanced the client the more he benefits from this type of cycling, as opposed to doing everything simultaneously.
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I was looking on youtube for some bulgarian squat videos and stumbled across this

YouTube - Ninja Squats
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:47 AM   #9 (permalink)

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the quad dominans theory comes from me having huge quads and front squating almost as much as i back squat, about 100kg compared to 115kg,

also because i didn´t deadlift or do anything except squat for about 4months, and because of my shitty form i probably hit the quads alot more than the posterior chain,

since i´m just lifting 2 times a week now squatting every time i could try to throw in some extra posterior stuff on the days i don´t deadlift,
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:30 PM   #10 (permalink)

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I doubted this question warranted its own thread so I'm gonna ask it here:

I have to do zercher squats because of a lack of any kind of rack. I start every set by deadliftling the bar, squatting down back under it so I can rest the bar on the top of my thighs, and then get my grip set.

My question is, after I get my grip set, I'm essentially in the bottom of a squat. I usually stand up and then start counting reps but can I count that initial standing up as a rep?
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