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Okay. We've seen it time and time again. "What exercise can I do that will help me with..." I know, I know. The whole training forum subsection is devoted to answering this question. Still, it gets asked.

Edit: We all know that drilling a technique is the best way to get better at said technique. However, that isn't the point of this thread. People are always asking what exercise to do to aid them with this or that technique, i.e, the underlying muscles that, if stronger, could make the technique more effective. As was pointed out, there is no magical lift that will turn a crappy fighter into a good one. However, there are exercises that will aid in certain aspects of the fight game. Deadlifts, squats, etc. are obviously the favored overall lifts in this regard, and should not be ignored.
For a routine using some of these and other lifts put together by Urban, check out his thread on the same subject: Unilateral, DE work, infinite intensity, complex training, endurance,heavy lifting... *highly recommended*

This thread is an attempt to answer these questions to the best of our abilities with the hopes of getting it stickied for future reference. As you think of them, add exercises and what they are good for.

General

Movement: Deadlift http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...BDeadlift.html

Many variations of the deadlift exist. It is one of the most fundamental lifts for improving overall strength.

Why it helps: You'll get stronger everywhere.

Movement: Squat: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...FullSquat.html
Many variations of the squat also exist. The back squat is another excellent lift to improve overall strength.

Why it helps: You'll get stronger everywhere.

Movement: Cleans http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...fts/Clean.html

Why it Helps: Cleans develop good overall strength and explosive power. "Powercleans helped my upperbody locks and throws tremensely."- Eric O, Amatuer Fighter.
Power cleans for MMA?

Movement: Overhead Presshttp://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...PushPress.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...taryPress.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...SplitJerk.html

The overhead press is generally done in three ways. First is the push press, which is featured in the video. Secondly is the Strict overhead press, which done without leg drive, and usually in a staggered stance. Thirdly, is the jerk, which is done by explosively pressing the weight upward, usually after a clean.

Why it Helps: A strong upper body is an asset everywhere in the fight game.

Movement: Grip Work

Grip work is done in a variety of ways. The CoC grippers are quite popular, as well as plate pinches, bending ect.

Why it Helps: The ability to grab and hold your opponent is obviously a major factor in MMA. I think we can all agree on this one at least.

Movement: Sledgehammer swings

Why it Helps: Torsion/ Core strength "Feels remarkably like getting a good shoulder throw in, which is something I never expected from sledgehammer swings in the beginning"-Bubble Boy. Hammer fist strikes (and other punches / bitch slaps), improves grip and conditioning.

Movement: Sandbag/ Keg work (shouldering, tossing, etc)

Why it Helps: Instability for core recruitment, and the possibility to progressively weightload. Since sandbag also works your grip that is propably the alround best lift and the more flexible implement, but the keg is more about raw (wrestling) power. Dont fill neither implement to the max since you want some movement of the sand/water. Also always try and grip the sandbag by the fabric and not by straps/handles on it since that kind of defeats the purpose. Sandbag Get Ups in particular are excellent for improving overall grappling strength.

Takedown Defense:


Movement: Zercher Squats http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/exerc...rchersquat.htm
A Zercher squat is performed by hooking the arms so that the barbell rests in the crooks of the elbows and squatting with the weight.

Why it Helps: Zercher Squats put your arns in the same position as getting double underhooks, and force you to use your core and legs together, much as you would during sprawling.

Movement: Dips
Dips are done on a dip station or between two convenient parallel surfaces.

Why it Helps Dips improve your ability to push an opponents head down as they go leg takedowns, shrimping, creating distance to strike on the ground, etc.

Movement: Single Leg Squats http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...eLegSquat.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...plitSquat.html
Single leg squats are by removing one leg from the equation using either of the methods shown above.

Why it Helps: Many times in a fight, you may find yourself having to move unilaterally.


Movement: Burpee http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rossboxing2.htm

A burpee is done like this:
"Begin in a squat position with hands on the floor in front of you.
Kick your feet back to a pushup position*.
Immediately return your feet to the squat position.
Leap up as high as possible from the squat position."

Why it Helps: Although more of a conditioning movement than a strength movement, it surely can be a powerfull movement. The first part of the movement in effect is a sprawl followed by an explosive movement (if you forego the pushup). Making it effective training for getting used to sprawling and then immediately counterattacking with an explosive attack, such as an knee for instance.

Takedowns

Wheel Barrow Pushes (best done up steep hills):

Why it Helps: Strengthens legs and back for shooting / driving take downs, grip, and conditioning.

Movement: Sled Drag (forward, backwards, HILLS): http://www.jumpusa.com/sled2.jpg
A sled drag is done by attaching ropes, chains, etc that are attached to the waist or held with handles to weights or a weight sled, and then walking with them.

Why it Helps: Forward drags help with the shoot / driving power. Backwards sled drags aid in the suplex (and other counter throw) power.Both versions are also excellent for conditioning.

Zercher Shoot and Rack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwW6Lm-_Ch0
This is all kinds of manly. Discussion thread w/ much more info than a little blurb can ever give you: Zercher Shoot and Rack

Ground Fighting

Ground Escape
Movement: Turkish getups

Why it Helps: Reason is simple, get up from the ground from a weird position, not specific to how you do it in fighting, more in a general way. Is suposed to be one of the better way to bulletproof your shoulders to. Everyone that have had an americana cranked should realise why this is good.


The Slam

Movement: Zercher Deadlifts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfLykbjVWcs
A Zercher Deadlift is done by hooking your arms similar to a Zercher Squat and lifting the weight off the floor.
Why it Helps: This is the same motion as picking someone up when they have you in guard. Mastering this lift will allow you to toss people around like toys.


Heavy Bag Shouldering (and throwing back down):
Heavy Bag (or sandbag, etc) shouldering is done by laying the bag on the floor, bending it over it and pulling it up and onto the shoulder. Slam it back down. Repeat on other side.

Why it Helps: Uses the same motions as lifting people up in the air and slamming them down,; and conditioning.

Cleans: Another variant of the hoisting portion of a slam.

Striking
Punching and Kicking Power
Luckily, this has been covered. See this thread for some good suggestions.
Any workouts to increase punching and kicking power?

Punches/elbows

Movement: Full Contact Twists:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2VmDm58MMI

Why it helps: develops twisting strength and power for your core, and we know thats where alot of punching power comes from.

Movement: Throwing heavy objects ( Put )
Put throwing, standing (not spinning or gliding), with stones or dumb bells, etc.

Why it Helps: Putting increases punching and general fighting power. Sprint back and forth to weights for conditioning.

Movement: Dumbell/kettlebell snatches.

Why it Helps: An explosive unilateral movement that shares attributes with punching in some regard and are easy to learn and quickly teaches you to explosively generate force.
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prison squats could replace both those lifts
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prison squats could replace both those lifts
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One legged squats some many times you get stuck postions you have to move unilaterally so its good for takedown defense and offense.
Overhead press I just think anyone that doesn't do it a pussy period too me helps so much more then a bench press for your overall upper body strength.
I throw in Zercher good mornings because of that fact of the Zercher craze on this board now. I can see so many benefits to help you with your takedown defense.

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One legged squats, zercher good mornings , and overhead press
All for takedown defense, or for both takedown defense and slams?

Other techniques to cover:
Clinch game
Takedowns
Knees
Elbows
Punching
Sprawling
Submission Defense
etc.

Please include what the exercise is useful for improving. Some, such as Deadlifts and Squats, are obviously for everything, but please feel free to tell everyone why.
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All for takedown defense?
Yeah I left that out.
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you should be banned for being a troll
how am i a troll?
do you know what prison squats are?

you perform the zercher deadlift and then once you have the bar up you perform zercher squats
its supposed to be a way to do squats for when you dont have access to a squat rack
thus you perform both zercher exercises in one movement and thus you get more bang for your buck
fuck off for calling me a troll
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how am i a troll?
do you know what prison squats are?

you perform the zercher deadlift and then once you have the bar up you perform zercher squats
its supposed to be a way to do squats for when you dont have access to a squat rack
thus you perform both zercher exercises in one movement and thus you get more bang for your buck
fuck off for calling me a troll
I have never heard them used by that name. But what you have describe is complex for conditoning not the max strength. You came off as being a troll with saying replace both just basically acting like forget the threadstarter post that to me comes off being a troll since you are a white belt with a 07 join date. Burpees are the only thing I hear called prison squats.

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I have never heard them used by that name. But what you have decribe is complex for conditoning not the max strength. You came off as being a troll with saying replace both just basically acting like forget the threadstarter post that to me comes off being a troll since you are a white with a 07 join date. Burpees are the only thing I hear called prison squats.

You are an idiot. If someone (Zercher) deadlifts his 1 rep max off the floor and then performs a couple of Zercher squats (if he is able to do that), that would hardly constitute a conditioning workout. By your logic a 1 rep clean+press would be a complex designed for conditioning.
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I have never heard them used by that name. But what you have decribe is complex for conditoning not the max strength. You came off as being a troll with saying replace both just basically acting like forget the threadstarter post that to me comes off being a troll since you are a white with a 07 join date. Burpees are the only thing I hear called prison squats.
is that an apology?
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