[CanadianRage43]

You can;t do a 5x5 workout and train mma. For training mma you shoudl be doing plyometrics and lots of explosive lifts. I would like to see GSP's complete workout program. I was thinking of doing something like upper body, lower body then one day of plyometrics.

[finnegan]

Originally Posted by mma-wire.com

You can;t do a 5x5 workout and train mma. For training mma you shoudl be doing plyometrics and lots of explosive lifts. I would like to see GSP's complete workout program. I was thinking of doing something like upper body, lower body then one day of plyometrics.

Umm. Yes you can.

[BlastBeats]

A simple 5x5 routine is much better than a suprising number of fighters' actual strength routines who, as is said many times in S&P, succeed inspite of their routine, not because of it. Though, I don't think anyone would argue against explosive movements like power cleans and different kinds of snatches being a staple of a fighter's routine. Pistols also seem like a good idea. Ross also has a plethora of great strength/conditioning exercises for fighters.

[re-animator]

here we go, dont flame me to hard, i have feelings.

this forum has a powerlifting bias.

1 rep max records arnt really useful for mma, just as useful as bodybuilding, but here we have it bodybuilding being hated on and 1 rep records glorified!

pro fighters train strength and conditioning together don't they?

we need to see greater unity between this forum and the conditioning forum, the way i see it S&P has a bunch of 220lb powerlifters and their 1 rep max records, and conditioning forum is a bunch of lighter dudes working on their 100 burpee time or some noob trying to loose weight. and a few elite atheletes jumping between the 2 forums.

how many fighters follow a squat/bench/dead type routine? how often do they deadlift and squat within 80% of their 1 rep max? from my understanding they train strength and conditioning within the same circuit, whilst if you come here looking to improve strength and conditioning and take whats said in each FAQ of the different forums you are gonna end up being burnt out in no time lifting heavy 3 times a week and sprinting and burpee'ing like mad on the non-lifting days.

well thats just my opinion, unless ive misunderstood and just assumed that the training sections of the forums are about mma training.

thoughts?

[Klotz]

A lot of those guys doing their 100 burpees in the conditioning forum are also in S&P testing their 1 rep maxes. I'm willing to wager that nearly every amateur/pro fighter in this forum as well as the guys who train for it all use a program that follows what's outlined in this thread. It's all about balance. If you're also training MMA and doing lots of conditioning, you'll probably have to tone down the weights a bit.

[re-animator]

ok, i see your point, im still new to this shit, so still learning and try to remain open minded.

i know that people can manage both the strength and conditioning routines on the training section of the forums, but for new comers its difficult to find a balance between the 2 aspects, and they will burn themselves out like i have done a few times, a new comer whos looking to develop into an all round athelete will likely neglect some part of their training or put a half assed job in if they are constantly sore and tired from lifting heavy 3 times a week and doing high intensity cardio routines.

i just dont like going into thread and reading

read the faq
eat lots
rest

over and over again. not everyone wants to be a heavy powerlifter, some people need to maintain weight, some people care about the way they look more than others also, i just think maybe the faq needs some greater unity with conditioning, and fitting in with mma training/ma training.

maybe if there was an mma specific sub forum or something or added to an existing faq, that could be written by someone who manages both strength and conditioning (like the pro/am fighters you mentioned)

like how to fit in a 5x5 routine with conditioning for fighting, and stuff on resting, listening to your body, what kind of week routines worked for them, stuff on training twice a day, how to manage it all together etc

the kind of strength required for a heavy squat or deadlift is only one form of strength, there is still explosive strength, speed strength, strength endurance which are a bit neglected i think(maybe ive havnt read enough on here)

some people like myself may need to work on max and explosive strength, whilst others might need more muscle endurance. some kind of master plan of squat/dead/bench for 5x5 isnt going to work for everyone, and most new comers dont have enough knowledge to make something to fit their goals and strengths/weaknesses

maybe thats the fault of new comers not always being clear with their goals or mentioning the conditiong work they do/plan to do, but yeah just think there is a powerlifting bias to a degree, or a bias towards maximal strength training at least.

im sure most of the more experienced posters on here know all about strength and perhaps they could show their knowledge more effectivley if new comers where more clean with their goals and what they already do condition wise.

when i see pro fighter training clip, i hardly ever see max strength training, is this more so because they have already developed good max strength from a powerlifting type routine or are their different reasons im not aware of? like you see ufc all access, never see the fighters cranking out 300lbs deadlifts, matt hughes and rich franklin used machines in their workouts! couture,gsp,chuck etc seemed to mix their strength training with their conditioning training. maybe im looking to far into pro fighters training clips.

thats enough rambling on for me.

[BabyPhenom]

over and over again. not everyone wants to be a heavy powerlifter, some people need to maintain weight, some people care about the way they look more than others also, i just think maybe the faq needs some greater unity with conditioning, and fitting in with mma training/ma training.

maybe if there was an mma specific sub forum or something or added to an existing faq, that could be written by someone who manages both strength and conditioning (like the pro/am fighters you mentioned)

like how to fit in a 5x5 routine with conditioning for fighting, and stuff on resting, listening to your body, what kind of week routines worked for them, stuff on training twice a day, how to manage it all together etc

Let's stop dealing with semantics here.

Not everyone here is a powerlifter, tho others can easily break some records.

If you have questions regarding conditioning, just ask

[Revok]

I agree with re-animator on several of his points, but not that there ought to be a dedicated mma training subforum. All the relevant knowledge is here - compartmentalised for the sake of easy browsing - but here. It's up to each individual to put their own program together as they see fit. If you want to know how people put the peices together as an effective whole, check the training logs.

[Clint07]

Originally Posted by re-animator

when i see pro fighter training clip, i hardly ever see max strength training, is this more so because they have already developed good max strength from a powerlifting type routine or are their different reasons im not aware of? like you see ufc all access, never see the fighters cranking out 300lbs deadlifts, matt hughes and rich franklin used machines in their workouts! couture,gsp,chuck etc seemed to mix their strength training with their conditioning training. maybe im looking to far into pro fighters training clips.

thats enough rambling on for me.

The big point I think to remember here is that fighters train differently as a fight approaches. As you get closer to a fight your sparring will get more and more intense (as will your conditioning training) so a fighter will have to cut most (or all) max strength training to keep from overtraining. Then between fights they can pick it back up.

If you want some reading material, I think Ross Enamait's Infinite Intensity does a good job of combining strength and cardio for a fighter and explains how to arrange a program properly.

[BabyPhenom]

You also have to consider that the videos you see are either only a part of what a fighter really does or totally the opposite of how they really train and show it to throw people off