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Old 11-07-2009, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Power sets After heavy sets?

I saw a video awhile ago of GSP, Kang, and Loiseau doing a strength workout with their trainer. What stood out was that after every heavy weight set they would super set "power" movements with a medicine ball (ex. after dumbbell bench press they'd do a set of plyo medicine ball presses).
It looked interesting, does anyone have any reading about this? I only have a vague idea of what they were doing so I haven't been able to find much in searches.
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:29 AM   #3 (permalink)

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It's not conditioning. It's called complex training. It was written about a lot by Soviets who trained power athletes like throwers with the method. The weighted resistance primes the body for the plyometrics, and vice versa. I think we have a had a few threads on it, and Google has a lot of stuff.
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It's a complex. A heavy resistance lift followed immediately by a plyometric exercise. The logic is to improve the rate of force development you use the heavy resistance to recruit as many muscle fibers as possible and prepare your CNS for the upcoming explosive exercise by having the muscle fibers already recruited.

But basing or augmenting your training on something you saw GSP and Denis Kang doing is NOT a good idea.
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It's not conditioning. It's called complex training. It was written about a lot by Soviets who trained power athletes like throwers with the method. The weighted resistance primes the body for the plyometrics, and vice versa. I think we have a had a few threads on it, and Google has a lot of stuff.
This. Urban's made threads on it, before the video of St Pierre's training came out.

Unilateral, DE work, infinite intensity, complex training, endurance,heavy lifting...
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This. Urban's made threads on it, before the video of St Pierre's training came out.

Unilateral, DE work, infinite intensity, complex training, endurance,heavy lifting...
Thanks for the thread-link! That was a great read.
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Thanks for the thread-link! That was a great read.
NP. I had it in my subscribed threads, so it was easy to find. I might start adding some like that back into my routine at times again...
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It's good for a cycle through out your training for several weeks(maybe twice a year) while working to improve your power output as an advanced/experienced athlete. However as already mentioned it's very taxing on the body(ligaments/tendons) and CNS so it should be limited to short periods of time.

The complex training relies on Postactivation Potentiation (aka PAP) concept. The principle "is that prior heavy loading induces a high degree of central nervous system stimulation, resulting in greater motor unit recruitment and force, which can last from five-to-thirty minutes"

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In one study on that same link: "The results of the study found that recreationally trained athletes exhibited fatigue at five minutes following the acute heavy resistance stimulus, and thus no enhanced performance. However, in the athletically trained individuals, the heavy PAP stimulus enhanced power performance at five and 18.5 minutes.The author's concluded that PAP enhances explosive strength performance in highly trained individuals, due largely to their fatigue-resistant, high level of conditioning."

This is the reason why we always tell beginners not to jump into advanced programs. These techniques can cause injury, overtraining, or simply be ineffective for beginning athletes. It often takes years before specific training principles become useful in your strength/athletic improvement and progression. So yes GSP might use this technique with a lot of success but a noob of the net who has never trained consistently will not see the same benefits despite the ease with which beginners tend to make strength adaptations/gains.
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